The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

I didn't miss that part...but CS did...and since he did, I responded to his statement.

CS was the one that put it in bold...how could he miss it? He was no refering to standards but abuse

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dora

Questions:

1. Are holiness standards preached as salvation/heaven or hell issues?

2. Are women who adhere more strictly to the "look" judged to be on a higher spiritual plane than those who conform less strictly?

3. Are women who just never seem to "measure up" demeaned from the pulpit or by other women? (of course these "holier" women are simply showing concern for the spiritual well-being of those who are less "holy").

4. Once a woman decides to attend another Apostolic-based church where the standard is less stringent, are they accused of going charismatic, or of having less love for Jesus Christ, or of being weak spiritually?

All I can say is, "GOOD GRIEF!"

In SOME churches yes...but then again if a man wears a beard HE might be judged to be less spiritual etc etc etc...so I have yet to see this great masculine conspiricy of the church to persecute and keep da woman down

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

The Apostolic church, like the Catholic fundamentalist churches, are safe harbors for pedophiles, abusers of women, and predators. Because the man has all the power and the women and children do not have a voice...the abuse continues.

Oh my gosh. It's amazing the stuff I see posted. Please please Rhoni, you don't know ALL the Apostolic church. There is no grand conspiracy from the head down to harbor pedophiles, abusers of women or predators. I happen to know a woman that was abused and her pastor sent her to her family away from the husband. They did not harbor or support it. It's sad to see such carelessness.

yes if you want to point out some churches that might have done so or some areas where it happened, fine, but don't draw such sweeping generalizations to include the whole "Apostolic church", when there is no evidence of such a grand sweeping conspiracy.

BTW if women have no power or voice at all in the entire Apostolic church I wonder how in the world doctrines like RRs magic hair doctrine became so widespread.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I truly believe it is as you say...but counselors are not accepted by most Apostolic churches especially if they are womenMany still find themselves knee deep in the curse put on them by satan through their men.

Oh my gosh...
I know that counselors are not that accepted in many Apostolic church, but it has nothing to do with gender. It's a mistrust of your profession. We had a female counselor here once and we arranged for her to do marriage classes...hardly anyone came. Was it because she was female? If so why did my Pastor even bother to allow her to start the classes? In fact he encouraged it.

I started a thread about this kind of stuff not too long ago about the paradigms of our thinking. I related a story about how I was driving my car and a friend, who is black, was in the passenger seat. I got pulled over and I commented "I wonder why he is pulling me over? I did nothing wrong"" and immediately he said "It's because I'm black"

Don't let your life experiences cause you to look at the world with a distorted false view. Step back, look at the forest and not just the trees, Take an OBJECTIVE look. Our churches for the most part don't trust your profession, not your gender.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

On a brighter note..I truly believe it is as crazyhomie has stated: Christ came and died that we can be free from the curse. Sometimes we have to fight for and defend that liberty. Thank God for Paul as he wrote to the church in Galacia!

Christ came and died so we can be free from the curse of the law and sin. That has nothing to do with enabling a womens movement....

BTW though Christ came to set us free and he did, has anyone noticed Paul never condemned slave owners nor encouraged slaves to fight for freedom?

It's not because he thought slavery was ok. See if you can figure it out. BTW He did teach them to treat each other as Christ wanted us to...quite a different paradigm from being a non-Christian slave owner or non-Christian slave. Not too many slaves love their masters. Not too many masters saw their slaves as little more than property they could do with whatever. The church was not "reactionaries" or revelutionaries ready for armed insurrection. Despite the injustices of the government and how things worked, they were instructed NOT to fight as much as is possible...to OBEY them that ruled over you, as much as was possible. In other words until it caused them to not live for God anymore, they were to be peaceful and good citizens.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Coupled with the other post that I had to ask several times to get you to respond to, I am beginning to think that you really do consider the Bible to be culturally biased.

I thought that was where you were heading.

If that is indeed your view, we have very little common ground on which to have a discussion, since you are questioning the infallibility of the Scriptures.

CS what do you mean by culturally biased?

[Dora]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In SOME churches yes...but then again if a man wears a beard HE might be judged to be less spiritual etc etc etc...so I have yet to see this great masculine conspiricy of the church to persecute and keep da woman down

You're hijacking the topic!!! Focus! Focus!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

Absolutely, Jesus didn't die to liberate the macho elite. He died for everybody, whosoever will let him drink of the water of life freely...Jesus is free He doesn't cost anything. What we do for Him is our devotion to Him and our love for Him.

lol...seriously...who here or anywhere teaches that Jesus died to liberate the macho elite? This sounds like paranoia run amuck. Let's speak the truth in love, but let it be THE TRUTH and not half truths or exaggerations.

There are and have been people in the church that did bad things to women. Yes....but there are and have been people in the church that did bad things to other men too! In some churches women are in power and they take advantage of their power over men. This is not some vast macho man conspiracy reeking havoc through the entire church.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

CS what do you mean by culturally biased?

The dudes that want to reject the infallibility of the Scriptures often doit on the basis of some supposed "cultural" bias that relegates women to a lesser position.

As if the Word of God were corrupted by the cultural prejudices of the men who penned it.

It is upon this premise that they base their practice of picking and choosing what they want to accept, based on how it fits our current culture.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dora

You're hijacking the topic!!! Focus! Focus!

No the topic is about the persecution of women and I addressed that point by pointing out bad things also happen to men.

There is no conspiracy ladies, liberals...take a deep breath....inhale....ahhhhhhhh. Relax....relax....stop listening to that shrill hysterical voice in your head...come on now..ladies and liberals.....feel it? Peace....peace... hahaha

Repeat after me...there is no conspiracy.....there is no conspiracy....we are all equal opportunity victims of da man.