The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I was speaking in general terms ... in the context of Jungle rules.

I think God's rule is the best. Why should we as Christians who are supposed to love God and one another be at another's throat, clawing, squeezing and killing. This can be justified, how?

Something's really wrong with that picture.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I think God's rule is the best. Why should we as Christians who are supposed to love God and one another be at another's throat, clawing, squeezing and killing. This can be justified, how?

Something's really wrong with that picture.

I agree w/ the thrust of your post. This is His Word.

A good friend posted this in another forum some moons ago ... and it has always stayed in my mind... Please take it w/ a grain of salt or maybe even [TIC]

One might like to consider the following in the discussion:

Lk 22: 35 And he [Jesus] said unto them [the disciples], When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

From the context of this chapter, it would seems as thought Jesus is bringing to the attention of His disciples that while He was with them (on earth), He personally took care of everything they needed, even their protection, even when He was not physically in their company.

Now, Jesus is making it clear that His provision and protection shall continue with them, but that the physical circumstances will be different than it has been in the past.

Unlike in the boat during a storm, the disciples will have to exercise both physical and spiritual authority and power – more on their own. They will not have the luxury of going back and waking Jesus up, and pleading for Him to “do something”.

There are now the realities of the world to contend with, such has having to pay for things they need, changes of clothing to carry along. As it is also well known, there were road agents (robbers) that one would most likely encounter – guys that are willing to take your life for what ever you might have on your person. For this, one will need a means of self-protection: a sword, if you will. Today, a gun might serve you better.

Doctrine: You might be as gentle as a dove and keep peace with all men (where possible), if you are robbed of your coat, give the robber your cloak also. But, if the highwayman is bent on taking your life: Take him out!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sociological studies mean nothing to him unless you say it in Coondog.

[JaneEyre]

Originally Posted by crakjak

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COON SEASON IS NOT YET OPEN. UH.OH.

[Steve Epley]

Y'all women got straightened out yet?????????????????????

[Sister Alvear]

give us time, good elder...ha...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

If 15 year olds who are carrying their fathers babies is not persecution against women, I don't know what is. My heart bleeds for a church that will rise to the occasion and stand against this spiritual agression.

Just because a man does this to a woman does not mean the church is persecuting women AND as I pointed out, churches and people IN churches have done things against men too....why isn't that persecution?

The righteous church should be involved in helping and extending a hand to this crticial area of need in our society. We have to stop shouting and jumping and start caring, loving and giving. Open our hearts, our homes, get dirty and involved in what Jesus died for.

The righteous church should be taking care of ALL the problems, not finger pointing and making it just one gender that is the victim or the agressor. These things happen because humanity is corrupt, not because the church is persecuting women

We must be willing to look beyond ourselves and see the real world for whom Jesus died. I love the Apostolic faith, but a name means nothng to the crack addict selling her body for a $2.00 hit. The incident of AIDS in my part of the country is some of the highest. I'm sure if some of you checked you would be amazed at the statistics locally.

Ok, I had to just check the title again....persecution of women in the church...Im reading what you are posting and I don't see the connection

Globally; Bosnia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the slave trade, muslim oppression, mormonism, domestic abuse and violence, etc. was also on my mind and I hoped would have been addressed.

And we blame the church?!?! Huh?

I'm new to the thread, but honestly I don't know if I'll be back. I have some really interesting questions still lingering, but the offense and personal negativity is astounding. The inability to have open dialogue without offense is lacking. I'm guilty also and will search my heart as well.

I don't find anything anyone here says offensive. I do find it inconsistent though and lacking deep thinking to be sure. If it's not women, it's blacks, then hispanics....the truth is humanity is corrupt and it does not take a special gender or race to be at the receiving end of that corruption. When discussing important issues I find it generally better to not make wild controversial statements that are generally untrue and are aimed only at trying to get under peoples skin... Let's discuss these issues, but let's stop acting like this is the church persecuting women and like women are the only victims at the hands of corrupt men

Satan is interested in destroying Eve. I've seen too much of it and you can't convince me otherwise. God Bless.

Satan is interested in destroying Adam AND Eve. Come on guys, this is kinda nutty. This is bad as the magic hair doctrine that teaches God gave women some special power that Adam did not have.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sis. Barb,

Persecution isn't just about the obvious putting your life in danger as has been brought out by many. Persecution takes many forms.

You have valid points about satan being on an all out attack on humanity as a whole, but I believe Crazyhomie has just as valid points that if satan attacks the women then he has the families.

Even the 'world' considers women among the discriminated against for centuries, right along with others who have been captive, bound, and held back.

One does not have to be right and one wrong...there are valid points on all sides. We all see through the glasses of our own experience in thse matters. if we unite instead of separating then we can make a difference in our world and being aware of satan's devices is the first offensive plan of attack.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. You are among the most articulate so I don't know why you don't consider yourself as such.

Man this is as dangerous as it gets....families don't need a man. All they need is a woman. Sure. Satan won't try to destroy the man cuz if you want to hurt the family you need to get the woman, not the lowly male. This whole thread ends up being reverse discrimination in disguise!

Satan is after EVERYONE. HE destroys families by working on men and women and teens.

The problem with this thread is it is full of a lot of unfounded assertions geared to stroke the ego of the liberal feminists AND it is very very very unbalanced presenting women as the only pillar in a family satan would want to try to attack and that only women are "persecuted" by men (btw women can be just as evil towards men) and not rather men and women both are corrupt humanity and take advantage over others and that this is the church persecuting women

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Man this is as dangerous as it gets....families don't need a man. All they need is a woman. Sure. Satan won't try to destroy the man cuz if you want to hurt the family you need to get the woman, not the lowly male. This whole thread ends up being reverse discrimination in disguise!

Satan is after EVERYONE. HE destroys families by working on men and women and teens.

The problem with this thread is it is full of a lot of unfounded assertions geared to stroke the ego of the liberal feminists AND it is very very very unbalanced presenting women as the only pillar in a family satan would want to try to attack and that only women are "persecuted" by men (btw women can be just as evil towards men) and not rather men and women both are corrupt humanity and take advantage over others and that this is the church persecuting women

Praxeas-

1. Do you disagree with the statement "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world"?

2. How many families do you know that are in church if the mother isn't? How many are in church if the father isn't?


This isn't to say that women are more powerful; but recognizing that there seems to be some patterns...

Hey, maybe its all about who cooks supper and not about gender! But let's talk about it instead of accusing each side of discrimination.

[ILG]

There are three subjects going on here and they seem to be crossing ways.

1. Abuse of women by sexual and physical abuse.

2. Blatant oppression of women.

3. Subtle oppression of women by tradition.

Most in the church are not experiencing 1 or 2. Some are. No one will deny this needs to be dealt with when it exists. It's number three that people argue whether it exists or not for the most part.