The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I researched and do not believe I have ever read Brother George's book about women. I do have Brother Scheels book however nothing in my book is copied from his book except maybe the same resources. My resources are from other books and writings of non oneness people.
I think most books do mention the same points. My book was written long before Brother Scheels book. I will have to get it down and look at it. Mine was written over 25 years ago and has been updated several times.
Could a gentile be a levite?
There were NO PUBLIC Assemblies succh as we know them only later...You may want to research when the first church buildings were built as we know them.
I do not believe people lose their gender when they recieve the Holy Ghost.

Brother Epley would you have joined Deborah's army?

Would you have obeyed the words of Huldah?
I think it is sick to even suggest that people that believe in women preachers agree with 2 males can marry. That makes me want to vomit.

No I do NOT know any ladies that believe two men can marry I was only using the example given by women preachers in using Gal. 3:28 that removes the gender in their minds. Deborah did what she had to do the fault lay with Barak however she was concerned lest it was said God did it by a woman. However Jael drove the nail through the head would that make her a preacher? By public assemblies I mean church services where men were present?
Again I respect all the godly women and their desire to do a work for God and I am not impugning their desire-dedication-or at times even results. Just cannot see the scriptural validation for it and not only that but it seems to me the scripture is teaching the exact opposite on women's role in the church. This is NOT personal I believe in your godly life and your desire and burden. Just cannot find it in the Bible.

[Sister Alvear]

In the annals of the early church, women are likewise notable for their spiritual devotion, fidelity, in teaching the Word of God, and sacrificial support of God’s servants. Their faith and prayers were mingled with those of the apostles in preparation for Pentecost and through out Christian era. The church owes more than it realizes to the prayers, loyalty and gifts of its female members. From the time when women labored with Paul in the gospel (Philippians 4:3), religious leaders have been dependent upon the miniseries of women. Gifted and consecrated women figure prominently in the labors of Paul. Owing much to the Redeemer for her spiritual freedom and ennoblement, woman has endeavored to pay her debt in unreserved devotion to Him who was born of a woman.
Bible women form the most remarkable portrait gallery of women preachers in existence. Many of them are among the immortals, whose records shine brightly for us in God’s biography of humanity.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I appreciate Sis Alvear posting Elder George & Elder Scheel's writings however
the ONLY passage needed is where a woman preached publicly in a NT assembly to MEN. JUST ONE PASSAGE.
I do agree many godly women have done good works and yes many good men have been saved with a woman preaching and there are strong Apostolic churches today that were started by a godly woman years ago.
But the question is where is it in scripture????????
Look at some proofs used:
1. Jesus told the women to tell his disciples he was risen and where to meet him. Did they go and begin to evangelize the world???? If so where is the record.
2. What about Pheobe???? I don't know what Phoebe did and neither does anyone else. What a proof passage.
3. Your sons and daughters shall prophecy??? What was the name of the woman that preached at Pentecost???? This was where the passage was fulfilled? They were speaking tongues NOT holding revivals or pastoring.
4. Neither male nor female thus can two men marry since they loose their gender when they recieve the HGB?
5. Poor Deborah-Huldah-Mariam-and all those women in Bible are named to support something they would never support in life. NONE could be a levite!!!
My position is there is just NO example-command for women to preach publicly in a NT assembly to men. Can they preach??? I hope they do like those in Acts 8 to everyone they see.
This is NOT an attack on Sis. Alvear I respect her very much and her sacrifice and labor. I am commenting on the subject NOT those wonderful ladies who are preaching.

Bro. are you inferring that a women can preach or teach, just not behind the pulpit? You say "publically", what does that mean to you? Are you saying a women can testify individually, just not publically? How many constitutes "the public"?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No I do NOT know any ladies that believe two men can marry I was only using the example given by women preachers in using Gal. 3:28 that removes the gender in their minds. Deborah did what she had to do the fault lay with Barak however she was concerned lest it was said God did it by a woman. However Jael drove the nail through the head would that make her a preacher? By public assemblies I mean church services where men were present?
Again I respect all the godly women and their desire to do a work for God and I am not impugning their desire-dedication-or at times even results. Just cannot see the scriptural validation for it and not only that but it seems to me the scripture is teaching the exact opposite on women's role in the church. This is NOT personal I believe in your godly life and your desire and burden. Just cannot find it in the Bible.

Bro. Epley, do you believe it is sinful for a woman to preach and/or pastor, or do you believe it isn't...ideal? (Ideal being in line with Biblical male/female roles.)

I'm asking...because I think it is ideal for a woman to stay at home and care for her children, and preferable according to Biblical roles and principles, but on the other hand, I don't believe a woman is sinning if she has to go to work to help support the family.

[Sister Alvear]

Brother Epley: You are a man of God and I deeply respect that but I do believe if a woman is to be in silence then she can not sing, testify, teach even take care of the little ones in SS if they are male...or utter a sound...or if she can then she can have liberty to obey the Holy Ghost...and a side note...I do not think any Godly woman would want to take authority OVER the man...
When I share with our church in no way am I being manly...

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

In the annals of the early church, women are likewise notable for their spiritual devotion, fidelity, in teaching the Word of God, and sacrificial support of God’s servants. Their faith and prayers were mingled with those of the apostles in preparation for Pentecost and through out Christian era. The church owes more than it realizes to the prayers, loyalty and gifts of its female members. From the time when women labored with Paul in the gospel (Philippians 4:3), religious leaders have been dependent upon the miniseries of women. Gifted and consecrated women figure prominently in the labors of Paul. Owing much to the Redeemer for her spiritual freedom and ennoblement, woman has endeavored to pay her debt in unreserved devotion to Him who was born of a woman.
Bible women form the most remarkable portrait gallery of women preachers in existence. Many of them are among the immortals, whose records shine brightly for us in God’s biography of humanity.

I believe EVERY word of this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With the exception of the next to the last sentence. I can't find any women preachers in the NT however the church is forever in debt to the sacrifice-burden-piety-labor of godly ladies. Some of the greatest prayer warriors I have known have been women. The greatest altar workers have been women. The greatest soul winners have been women. Some of the greatest services I have been in a woman hled the key to the service. So I am NOT anti-women just can't find a lady preacher in the NT.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Bro. Epley, do you believe it is sinful for a woman to preach and/or pastor, or do you believe it isn't...ideal? (Ideal being in line with Biblical male/female roles.)

I'm asking...because I think it is ideal for a woman to stay at home and care for her children, and preferable according to Biblical roles and principles, but on the other hand, I don't believe a woman is sinning if she has to go to work to help support the family.

I am NOT saying a woman is sinning I just think she is out of divine order. She may work in the permissive will of God but not in the perfect will of God.

It just is not scriptural. That is my point.

[Sister Alvear]

Six men were sent from King Josiah to receive God’s words from Huldah and this resulted in national revival. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary comments concerning the passage, "Discrimination on the grounds of sex was foreign to the spirit of the Old Testament."

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother Epley: You are a man of God and I deeply respect that but I do believe if a woman is to be in silence then she can not sing, testify, teach even take care of the little ones in SS if they are male...or utter a sound...or if she can then she can have liberty to obey the Holy Ghost...and a side note...I do not think any Godly woman would want to take authority OVER the man...
When I share with our church in no way am I being manly...

I believe you would be a lady in every respect however many are not and YOU and I both know them but we won't name them here.:sshhh

[Sister Alvear]

Brother Epley:
Was Deborah in the divine order of God?