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09-23-2007, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
How many would have to be reached by TV for it to be worth it to you?
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My Brother why are you so sure it will work as a benefit to the movement?
If this goes all wrong it will be like busting a pillow; you will never get all those feathers back in the pillowcase.
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09-23-2007, 09:59 PM
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But Friend, you realize that you are placing blame squarely on the shoulders of advertising proponents, correct?
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How can it be any other way? Why be willing to lose good men over this one issue an issue that may not work out for the organization as a whole?
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09-23-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
My Brother why are you so sure it will work as a benefit to the movement?
If this goes all wrong it will be like busting a pillow; you will never get all those feathers back in the pillowcase.
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Has radio, printed media, and internet helped or hurt the movement?
Why can we believe that God is sovereign on the Radio, Billboards, and the Internet, but yet television is too much for Him to handle?
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09-23-2007, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Thad you talk as if you can just send a preacher to an area where there's an existing Apostolic church and have a thriving work in a week?
Another thing what you're also saying is that anyone who is an independent is open game for an organization to open a work across the street?
I believe that we have enough sinners to go around and that we should have an Apostolic church on every corner. I love to see Brothers go forward and start works, but saying that if a pastor pulls out that they should be scared of a new work being started? I hardly think that would frighten any seasoned pastor.
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Well said, Bro. Doesn't sound Christlike at all.
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09-23-2007, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
Has radio, printed media, and internet helped or hurt the movement?
Why can we believe that God is sovereign on the Radio, Billboards, and the Internet, but yet television is too much for Him to handle?
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It's because we have preached against television and what's on it.
Now to bring a decision that will greatly offend the rest of the Brothers would not be the right thing to do. Having been on radio and in the newspapers the only way it works is through high levels of saturation.
To do the same with television will leave smaller churches out of the running.
This vote is not for the whole organization, but only for larger churches who can afford the advertising.
Another thing there are ministers who cannot even afford to come to the GC this year, how will they be able to have their voice heard? Men who for what ever reason can not make it to the General Conference, how will these Brothers be able to be counted?
This is not good for the whole, shouldn't this be a problem? Why risk the loss of churches over this issue.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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09-23-2007, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
It's because we have preached against television and what's on it.
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We used to preach against radio and what was on it.
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Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
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09-23-2007, 10:41 PM
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We used to preach against radio and what was on it.
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Sam did you take a good look at the rest of what I said after I made the statement you chose to quote? Nothing like ignoring the bigger picture?
Television is not the goose that lays the golden eggs, and if we believe that it is we would be foolish. Those who are successful in advertising their churches are spending a lot of money. Again I will say that this vote is not for the little church but is more for those who are already large and have hopes to become larger. I have no problem with a Church wanting to become huge, but not at the expense of the rest of the movement who will never benefit from the decision that the voting will make. So Brother Ellis, it is more than just preaching against something, but has more to do with keeping the unity of the Brothers in the fellowship.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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09-23-2007, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
We used to preach against radio and what was on it.
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Sam,
The fact is, the United Pentecostal Church NEVER took an official stand against radio. I've heard others make this argument, and it is simply not true. There were some individuals who preached against it, but we, as a movement, never felt led of the Holy Ghost to make an official stand. When it came to television, however, an overwhelming majority of men felt prompted by the Spirit to take an official stand against that particular form of media.
Thad,
Here is one UPC preacher who WILL leave if the resolution passes. I don't care if the UPC starts 10 churches in my city. If they adopt the usage of television in any form or fashion, I'm out.
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09-23-2007, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I think that would be terrible, and that is why all should be focused in working this issue out and conserving the unity of the fellowship. Let’s face it this is wrong if it will divide Brothers. It should be unity of the fellowship and winning souls as a unified effort. We have not one Brazilian One God work in South Florida, what would the Brothers accomplish by walking off if the vote goes not their way? Every man on the conference floor should consider themselves and their Brothers as they make their decisions on this issue. There is so much to get done and television is just muddying the waters, it's not worth it.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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what is a "Brazilian one God work in South Florida"??? Why do we need a work aimed at people of a certain nationality??? its not like "Brazilian" is a language (now if you mean a "Portugese" work because there are a ton of people who speak English only as a second language and speak Portugese as a first language, that I could understand)...
and its sad that we have ANY of these rules at all that could split the fellowship... James preached the Law, Paul didn't, they fellowshipped, we should have that attitude, not this mess...
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09-23-2007, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sam it's not about that, it's about only larger wealthier churches being able to afford advertising on television. It's about smaller churches not being able to be involved due to small budgets. It's not fair. All will be making a decision for only a few to profit from the vote.
Why risk a problem with others in the group over this?
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I go to a small-ish church (we run like 200-250 or so on Sunday Mornings and I'm not sure on Sun/Wed night, but I'd be surprised if it were more than 150)
and we looked into advertising... you can get 20 30 second spots for 1100 airing between 7 and 9 AM and 5 and 6 PM... which means it is cheaper to run one 30 second tv ad than it is to get one ad out in a newspaper.... and its likely more people will see the tv ad...
and this is on a broadcast channel, its not even cable... Cable is cheaper...
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