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[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Strongminded

Tell me.....does he submit to the presbyter......who submits to the DS....who submits to the GS....

THATS BIBLICAL AUTHORITY BRO!!!

So..IF you dont submit to the GS..tell me .....where is the chain broken???

In the bible they had pastors and bishops, not DS's and GS's....in fact if it were not for that sort of thinking perhaps there would have been less churches eventually submitting to Rome. Rome forced edicts on the churches. It was not an alliance of men of like faith. Rather they decreed "this is how we are all going to believe" which is really what UC wants. He wants a church that decrees edicts that ALL churches and pastors are bound by or they must go. What the resolution does is remove one such edict that we don't all agree on anyways, from being binding on the whole group

Originally Posted by Strongminded

Tell me.....does he submit to the presbyter......who submits to the DS....who submits to the GS....

THATS BIBLICAL AUTHORITY BRO!!!

So..IF you dont submit to the GS..tell me .....where is the chain broken???

Show me that in the Bible. My pastor submits to his pastor. We then have a Board of Elders. He does NOT submit to the presbyter, this is NOT biblical authority. The UPC is NOT the CHURCH!

Here's a thought: God is not an organization. Then again, I might be wrong. (Wouldn't be the first or last time that would happen)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

I feel that the UPC dropped the ball on video, it should have not allowed video in at all. Those men that were against video were right because it has become the slippery slope. If you will define "wordly amusements" then i'll most likely say we preach against it. I'm against organized sports altogether. I don't think apostolics should play or participate in organized sporting events. To the TV issue I say this: when does it stop? I have to make my mind up and say at some point it's too much and I have to leave. For me, TV is that issue. It's no different than the others but it is a position that I refuse to go into. There are lot's of things that I disapprove of in the UPC but TV is the issue that I set as a boundry and said, "if they cross this then i'm out".

The slippery slope fallacy is false. Perhaps it started when we allowed Radio or when we failed to forbid upon pain of 40 lashings the Internet?

The truth is even back then video and media was NOT as pervasive as it is now, but even way back then there were people who had TVs hidden in their bedrooms because they disagreed in their own selves with the pastor on TV but nodded their heads while he was preaching.

Had the UPC not delegalized the use of Video it's use still would have grown anyways. In fact now we have DVDs when then they only had VCR and so now everyone here has computer that probably has the capability to watch DVD AND watch streaming video online. It's inevitable. What we need is good teaching and preaching that trains us all to be spiritually discerning. But what we have instead is a handed down set of dos and don'ts that don't teach the internal man how to really be holy and spiritually discerning what is right and wrong. And as result we have people who think they are doing GOOD because they are in compliance with the UPC by not having a TV but watching video over the internet.

It reminds me of sisters that wear skirts...below the knees.....but are TIGHT and made of very sheer fabrics. They wear tight tops too...the point is they dress the dress according to the UPC decree but they look for loopholes on how to look sexy. These dos and don'ts don't do a thing haha....teach them how to be wise as serpents. Teach them how to discern evil from good. Teach them how to be truely Holy inside. Then you won't have to dictate to them "no internet either"

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The slippery slope fallacy is false. Perhaps it started when we allowed Radio or when we failed to forbid upon pain of 40 lashings the Internet?

The truth is even back then video and media was NOT as pervasive as it is now, but even way back then there were people who had TVs hidden in their bedrooms because they disagreed in their own selves with the pastor on TV but nodded their heads while he was preaching.

Had the UPC not delegalized the use of Video it's use still would have grown anyways. In fact now we have DVDs when then they only had VCR and so now everyone here has computer that probably has the capability to watch DVD AND watch streaming video online. It's inevitable. What we need is good teaching and preaching that trains us all to be spiritually discerning. But what we have instead is a handed down set of dos and don'ts that don't teach the internal man how to really be holy and spiritually discerning what is right and wrong. And as result we have people who think they are doing GOOD because they are in compliance with the UPC by not having a TV but watching video over the internet.

It reminds me of sisters that wear skirts...below the knees.....but are TIGHT and made of very sheer fabrics. They wear tight tops too...the point is they dress the dress according to the UPC decree but they look for loopholes on how to look sexy. These dos and don'ts don't do a thing haha....teach them how to be wise as serpents. Teach them how to discern evil from good. Teach them how to be truely Holy inside. Then you won't have to dictate to them "no internet either"

Because of my screenname I assume that most everybody thinks that at church the pastor is up there pointing his finger and saying you can't do this, or this, or this. But the fact is we teach strongly about the effects of the world in the church. Our people don't not watch TV because we tell them not to, they do it because they have an understanding that it is bad for them. I feel the same way about every holiness issue. Nothing we preach from behind the pulpit comes without a reason. They don't have holiness becuase their pastor makes them do it, they have it because it's in their heart.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Because of my screenname I assume that most everybody thinks that at church the pastor is up there pointing his finger and saying you can't do this, or this, or this. But the fact is we teach strongly about the effects of the world in the church. Our people don't not watch TV because we tell them not to, they do it because they have an understanding that it is bad for them. I feel the same way about every holiness issue. Nothing we preach from behind the pulpit comes without a reason. They don't have holiness becuase their pastor makes them do it, they have it because it's in their heart.

lol....see?
"Our people don't watch TV because they understand that IT (the TV) is bad for them"....summed up.

TV is just a box of electronics. It is no more bad for you than going to the grocery store is or listening to the radio or being on the internet. Do you teach them to be discerning with what is on the Internet and as a result has the entire church, including yourself, given up Internet?

Originally Posted by Praxeas

lol....see?
"Our people don't watch TV because they understand that IT (the TV) is bad for them"....summed up.

TV is just a box of electronics. It is no more bad for you than going to the grocery store is or listening to the radio or being on the internet. Do you teach them to be discerning with what is on the Internet and as a result has the entire church, including yourself, given up Internet?

Yes, our people are very discerning with what they do on the internet. Many don't have the internet at all. Those that do all have internet filters. Like myself our internet activity is monitered by an outside source. We use a reporting filter on our internet that sends an email to a predetermined person showing all the internet usuage and content that we look at. This may seem extreme but it is a way for me to assure accountablity to my wife and my ministry.

Ultra Con,
I have a question for you....
Please be honest..
How big is your church?

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by lovemyjesus

Here's a thought: God is not an organization. Then again, I might be wrong. (Wouldn't be the first or last time that would happen)

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

Yes, our people are very discerning with what they do on the internet. Many don't have the internet at all. Those that do all have internet filters. Like myself our internet activity is monitered by an outside source. We use a reporting filter on our internet that sends an email to a predetermined person showing all the internet usuage and content that we look at. This may seem extreme but it is a way for me to assure accountablity to my wife and my ministry.

After reading this paragraph, I got to wondering...do you make your ministry team or your saints turn in "prayer journals" so that you know how often and how long they pray?