And you honestly believe that all of those people (whatever the # actually is) don't have a TV? I hate to tell you this, but I've been around a long, long time. And I've seen TV's hidden in some very clever places in order to fool the pastor. I hope you are not in for a very hard fall one day when you find out some folks have let you down.
My point exactly...if there are more than 30 people in that church then there are people who are watching some TV....and he said, "They are not UC!!!" I betcha if it only runs 20 there are some who occasionally watch tv
Now......how many people go to your church UC?
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
I'll say this about our church. I've only been here for 6 months. My pastor has been here for 3 1/2 years. Since that time the church has grown 400%. We've baptized over 100 people in just a few short months. This past Sunday we over 20 visitors. The church right now has at 20 more members (ones that are in church) than it did when I gor here. Please don't take this as bragging because i'm not trying to, i'm just saying we are having great revival.
Being the math whiz that I am, according to your numbers above, you must have well over, what, 300?
But honestly, the numbers above also mean nothing. Hundreds are baptized all the time in our churches. Thousands visit. It's how many stay that really counts.
I'm wondering why you just don't answer the question. I mean, for instance, how many did you have in Sunday School on the 23rd?
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I totally get where you are coming from...but this place is not an effective field for revolution.
What would you suggest? We need people to stand up to these guys. What if someone had stood up during that 1992 business meeting and challenged the veracity of the claims being made by just 2 men.
Two men deceived the entire movement. I walked into that meeting with my pastor and we both were going to vote against that resolution. When it came time to vote- we both had changed and ended up voting FOR the resolution- because we were both deceived.
What will happen to the future of the UPC youth department of no one has the courage to stand up to the lies of the UC movement today? Lies like those being told here by UltraConservative will will again determine OUR future.
Is the future of the UPC always going to be determined by the bullies and the liars? Where are the men of courage? Stand up to these guys. I had to bury a youth president because of lies - B.K. are you listening? You helped us bury him in the cold hard dirt ten years ago. He's dead because a "conservative" lied. How many more Youth Presidents will we bury?
That's fine UC - everyone else will see this and I can get the perm ban for all I care - but you lied. You were called on it and you choose to ignore it.
Most of the UC agenda is driven by lies. They lie about our forefathers. They lie about our current leaders they lie about our young people. When you try and pin them down on their lies they all just shrivel up and crawl away like a bunch of cockroaches when you turn on the light.
How long is the ban? Tell me up front. I can take it. But leave this post up so everyone can see why I was banned and learn from my example. I'm calling the "UltraConservatives" liars and I say the so-called "Conservative" movement within the UPC is driven by the lies they tell.
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
This maybe my last post T1 - but they lied to the entire General Conference in 1992. And UC continues that shameful tradition today.
We have to stand up to these liars. UC lied- I just called 3 different young people who were at NAYC and then I called my wife who was also there. No fog machines. None anywhere in sight.
To try and slam our leaders, people like UC can come onto these boards and lie - and they get away with it every time. We have to stand up to them to save the Oneness message. These people are going to destroy this Gospel unless we stand up to them.
The 'fog', to those who believe God was there, was His presence.
The 'fog', to those who don't believe God was there, was theatrics to replace the anointing.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
What would you suggest? We need people to stand up to these guys. What if someone had stood up during that 1992 business meeting and challenged the veracity of the claims being made by just 2 men.
Two men deceived the entire movement. I walked into that meeting with my pastor and we both were going to vote against that resolution. When it came time to vote- we both had changed and ended up voting FOR the resolution- because we were both deceived.
What will happen to the future of the UPC youth department of no one has the courage to stand up to the lies of the UC movement today? Lies like those being told here by UltraConservative will will again determine OUR future.
Is the future of the UPC always going to be determined by the bullies and the liars? Where are the men of courage? Stand up to these guys. I had to bury a youth president because of lies - B.K. are you listening? You helped us bury him in the cold hard dirt ten years ago. He's dead because a "conservative" lied. How many more Youth Presidents will we bury?
What would you suggest? We need people to stand up to these guys. What if someone had stood up during that 1992 business meeting and challenged the veracity of the claims being made by just 2 men.
Two men deceived the entire movement. I walked into that meeting with my pastor and we both were going to vote against that resolution. When it came time to vote- we both had changed and ended up voting FOR the resolution- because we were both deceived.
What will happen to the future of the UPC youth department of no one has the courage to stand up to the lies of the UC movement today? Lies like those being told here by UltraConservative will will again determine OUR future.
Is the future of the UPC always going to be determined by the bullies and the liars? Where are the men of courage? Stand up to these guys. I had to bury a youth president because of lies - B.K. are you listening? You helped us bury him in the cold hard dirt ten years ago. He's dead because a "conservative" lied. How many more Youth Presidents will we bury?
I was decieved in 1992 as well. I voted for the resolution too....
At that time I was deep within the bowels of the California UC group preaching many revivals for them...
The problem is there is no winning here...you can say all kind of stuff about Jakes and the like but you cannot question the UCs...it's just how this game is played...
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I DIDN'T HAVE A HAIR CUTTING PARTY!
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
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