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Old 09-26-2007, 04:14 PM
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Has Rico made a decision yet?
He did that before even starting this thread. I don't think that was his intention of this thread, just to get the idea of others is all.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:15 PM
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Do you hafta go through the pastor?

Only if he is in my way.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:15 PM
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Frankly, I don't care for large cities.

I am here for two reasons--to participate in the business of the God themed man club I belong to....

And because my wife likes to come.

And the Bible is where we got the terms "obey" and "rule."

That doesn't mean mindless obedience to just anybody.

There are qualifications.
CS, why not just do this....
walk up to the person who has RULE over you and OBEY whatever they tell you to do!

Then just rest in knowing you have done all the God expects you to do.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:16 PM
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I frankly think we are making this whole thing very complicated...
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:17 PM
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Do you hafta go through the pastor?

Only if he is in my way.
I do hope your avatar is not a graphical depiction of the 'rest of the story'!
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:19 PM
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Do you hafta go through the pastor?

Maybe, if you are at the Sizzler...
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:21 PM
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CS, why not just do this....
walk up to the person who has RULE over you and OBEY whatever they tell you to do!

Then just rest in knowing you have done all the God expects you to do.
I am having supper with my pastor tonight.

I do what he tells meto do.

The deal is, he respects me and my walk with God, and basically offers guidance when he feels it is needful.

If for whatever reason he felt to give me some strong admonition, I would receive it and obey him, unless he told me to do something that was unscriptural.

But I trust him and know him well enough to know that he won't do that.

I'm with Barb, this is being overcomplicated.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:24 PM
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Do you hafta go through the pasture?

Sometimes, but watch out for the bull.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:24 PM
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I frankly think we are making this whole thing very complicated...
I frankly think there are some who choose to interpret scriptures to fit their desire to be free agents with no pastoral influence in their lives. It seems that most who are opposed to non-hierarchical servant leadership are also opposed to other divine plans of order in the home, the workplace and society in general.

Submission often seems to be a foreign word in their vocabulary. They say they are submitted to God and God alone. It certainly frees them up to do what they please since there is no premise from which to argue whether or not God told them to do or not do something. They essentially become gods unto themselves and they are subject to every wind of false doctrine that comes wafting on the wind.

this is just my opinion and is certainly open for attack. I don't feel responsible to defend it so I shan't. That is my prerogative because I am not subject to any man's will or wishes.
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Old 09-26-2007, 04:28 PM
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I am having supper with my pastor tonight.

I do what he tells meto do.

The deal is, he respects me and my walk with God, and basically offers guidance when he feels it is needful.

If for whatever reason he felt to give me some strong admonition, I would receive it and obey him, unless he told me to do something that was unscriptural.

But I trust him and know him well enough to know that he won't do that.

I'm with Barb, this is being overcomplicated.
I understand that if you believe that ONE guy who you acknowledge as your pastor tells you you need to move from where you are, you need to move. Afterall, that's what obedience is all about!

No body has to OBEY their guides. They need to thoughtfully and soberly consider the qualifications of their guides and the witness of their guide's counsels.

But following is all about free choice when it comes to a guide.

Not following a ruler is all about rebellion.
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