"The Giant Sucking Sound"

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by philjones

If you identify yourself as "UPCI" and they stand for something which you are vehemently against... how does that make you look?

They upci is not standing up for television, imo... they are simply allowing the use of it as a method of communication. The only think the upci is standing up for is the cause of the gospel... I wish poeple would quit being "against" things, and be FOR something! Too many people's ministries are defined by what they are agiainst... let's stand up and be for the gospel!

[lisafitzh2o]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The LDS have used television effectively for years. If the organization produces advertising, they better offer at least some free Bibles. The ones with Acts 2:38 doctrine in the front. A national television ad itself would not be beneficial without a premium. Call for a free Bible. It has worked for the Mormans for decades.

Thank you for clarifying (Latter Day Saints). Being in education for the past decade, LDS means Learning Disabled Students to me.

And, no, I'm not mocking special needs kids....so don't anybody start fussing.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

MY OPINION.

Anytime the pastor takes a turn from the "old paths" HE opens the door.

Folks are not obligated to support false doctrine or worldliness.

What exactly are the "old paths"....? are you talking about the old paths of a decade ago? two decades ago? two centuries ago? Exactly which "old paths" are you talking about? If we go back a couple centuries, things would be drastically different for YOU today wouldn't they? think AMISH.... again, which "old paths" exactly are you talking about? And what makes that subset of "old paths" more valuable than any other subset? what makes the "old paths" of 50 years ago more authoratative than the "old paths" of 100 years ago? or 10 years ago?

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

As Ross (Can't win, but I will run anyway) Perot said back in 1992 "NAFTA will create a giant sucking sound" as USA jobs go south to Mexico.

So will the passing of Resolution 4 cause "a giant sucking sound" as ministers that feel betrayed by the org. leave the UPC for other orgs. or the vast world of Good Independent Brethren. (GIBs).

Here is the link for those under 30 and who have a vested interest in the matter

http://tinyurl.com/35ftve

Seems everyone wants us at the same level at only the sake of money.
Excellent illustration OP

[tv1a]

If you are sooooooo concerned about "Uncontrolled Access to Sin" preach against the

I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T

At least you'll be consistent.

Originally Posted by Old Paths

What most conservatives see is not just a lifting of an advertisement ban, but giving uncontrolled access to sin.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

I can see in some UPC churches saints that have held their convictions about tv as pastors changed from time to time LEAVING when the pastor goes from silence about tv, to actively promoting tv.

This is happenning in California.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Here is the link for those under 30 and who have a vested interest in the matter

http://tinyurl.com/35ftve

Seems everyone wants us at the same level at only the sake of money.
Excellent illustration OP

Why do you have to be under 30 to have a vested interested in the matter?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by tv1a

If you are sooooooo concerned about "Uncontrolled Access to Sin" preach against the

I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T

At least you'll be consistent.

Great point.... but so many are not willing to concede the incosistency in being againt TV and for Internet.... either be against both, or make allowances for both.... (note, making allowances for internet, and/or controlled TV usage doesn't necessarily equate to being "FOR" them.... it simply equates to limiting their use)

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know about most, but a lot don't. However UPC churches have a certain amount of autonomy. It's perfectly fine for a local UPC pastor to preach against TV.

And wouldn't it be fine for them to continue to preach against having one in the home? What's the big deal, preach what you've always preached, and let others do what they want to do!!!!

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

This is happenning in California.

Really????? Where? That is news to me.