Fifty years ago...

[marthaolivia]

to James Griffin:
I am not worried about backsliding... I had rather just listen to my pastor and do what he says even if I don't understand all I think I know!!! ( Does that make sense? At this stage in life, there is nothing that I left that I want to go back to. I am now cramming for my finals!....I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am dissatisfied with our church teachings. I guess the baggage from childhood follows us all..

My question is,, since the world has lowered the bar so much, why is it ok for the church to? We are in this world but not of the world. I don't see the culture changing so much that it would require the church to start doing any of these things.

I still don't.....

watch or own a tv
go to the movies
wear slacks
dress out for gym at school
dance except in church
go to ball games
"arch" my eyebrows
cut or trim my hair
wear any make-up
go swimming in anything other than your everyday clothes
to listen to certain radio stations except for gospel radio and talk radio once in a while for news.

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

to James Griffin:
I am not worried about backsliding... I had rather just listen to my pastor and do what he says even if I don't understand all I think I know!!! ( Does that make sense? At this stage in life, there is nothing that I left that I want to go back to. I am now cramming for my finals!....I certainly don't want to give the impression that I am dissatisfied with our church teachings. I guess the baggage from childhood follows us all..

There is a lot to say about obeying those that have the rule over you. As long as your Pastor is correct on the Salvation Doctrine, I don't see the harm in being obedient to what he set up for the church. Even if he is wanting more from you than is required by the Word Of God, what is the harm if we make it to heaven? Isn't that the goal?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

If I remember correctly, fifty years ago, (and yes I was around then!) at least in UPC & ALJC, it was a sin to watch or own a tv, to go to the movies, for women to wear slacks, to dress out for gym at school, to dance, to go to ball games, to "arch" your eyebrows, for women to cut or trim their hair, to wear open toed shoes, to wear any make-up (except for Vaseline), to go swimming in anything other than your everyday clothes, to listen to certain radio stations and there are probably some more deadly sins that I forgot to mention.
My question is.."Did God change His mind about these things through the years or were they man-made from the beginning?"

man made from the beginning

Originally Posted by marthaolivia

If I remember correctly, fifty years ago, (and yes I was around then!) at least in UPC & ALJC, it was a sin to watch or own a tv, to go to the movies, for women to wear slacks, to dress out for gym at school, to dance, to go to ball games, to "arch" your eyebrows, for women to cut or trim their hair, to wear open toed shoes, to wear any make-up (except for Vaseline), to go swimming in anything other than your everyday clothes, to listen to certain radio stations and there are probably some more deadly sins that I forgot to mention.
My question is.."Did God change His mind about these things through the years or were they man-made from the beginning?"

I see you live in my area of the country... I know what you mean. Those things were preached against in my home church even 15 years ago.

[Mosby48]

When I got into church in the '70's most of those items were still taboo and that held up until the last few years. The problem I have with changing these items is the fact that these prohibitions came from men of God who prayed and sought the mind of God waaaaaaay more than anyone I know now, with the exception of a few people. (such as Sis Freeman) If God impressed these prayer warriors to not do these things, should we believe men who hardly pray or seek God's will? Many folks bash these actions without considering the quality and piety of the men who instituted them. Truly, God changes not, and I have a problem with questioning why he impressed these rules on the old timers. Many restrictions in the Bible (Levitical laws) seem silly when you look at them carnally but the Jews didn't start culling which one's to obey and which one's not to obey. So I try to prayerfully consider before I jump in and change a restriction such as you describe. They are simply not that hard to comply with to justify arbitrary changes.

Originally Posted by MrsBOOMM

My question is,, since the world has lowered the bar so much, why is it ok for the church to? We are in this world but not of the world. I don't see the culture changing so much that it would require the church to start doing any of these things.

I still don't.....

watch or own a tv
go to the movies
wear slacks
dress out for gym at school
dance except in church
go to ball games
"arch" my eyebrows
cut or trim my hair
wear any make-up
go swimming in anything other than your everyday clothes
to listen to certain radio stations except for gospel radio and talk radio once in a while for news.

most of those are man-made rules or extensions of Biblical ideas into manmade rules that furthered the Biblical idea behind the rule....

[Sam]

This is from “What Oneness Pentecostals Believe and Teach,” third edition by B.E. Echols, Marshall, TX, 1956 pages 10-12

A few things the Oneness Pentecostal People believe and teach that a Christian should NOT do or partake of are: drink beer, wine, whiskey ... use snuff or tobacco ...attend or take part in basketball, football and baseball games, picture shows, boxing and wrestling matches, visit pool halls, play golf or cards, dance, go swimming where both sexes are present ... telling jokes ... reading funny papers, novels ... listening in on comic radio programs and ungodly TV broadcasts. All such things rob a Christian of his spirituality and will eventually drown his soul in perdition.

Christian women should not bob their hair (1 Cor 11:5-11) get permanents (1 Tim 2:9, 10), wear jewelry as ornaments (this applies to men also); wear socks, use rouge and lip-stick or paint their eyebrows, eyelashes or fingernails; neither should they wear low neck, short skirt and short-sleeve dresses --especially in public ... abstain from all lustful and pagan customs of the ungodly, such as necking, kissing, spooning and keeping late hours at night.

Originally Posted by Sam

This is from “What Oneness Pentecostals Believe and Teach,” third edition by B.E. Echols, Marshall, TX, 1956 pages 10-12

A few things the Oneness Pentecostal People believe and teach that a Christian should NOT do or partake of are: drink beer, wine, whiskey ... use snuff or tobacco ...attend or take part in basketball, football and baseball games, picture shows, boxing and wrestling matches, visit pool halls, play golf or cards, dance, go swimming where both sexes are present ... telling jokes ... reading funny papers, novels ... listening in on comic radio programs and ungodly TV broadcasts. All such things rob a Christian of his spirituality and will eventually drown his soul in perdition.

Christian women should not bob their hair (1 Cor 11:5-11) get permanents (1 Tim 2:9, 10), wear jewelry as ornaments (this applies to men also); wear socks, use rouge and lip-stick or paint their eyebrows, eyelashes or fingernails; neither should they wear low neck, short skirt and short-sleeve dresses --especially in public ... abstain from all lustful and pagan customs of the ungodly, such as necking, kissing, spooning and keeping late hours at night.

WEAR SOCKS!!!!!! THat is a new one........

Originally Posted by Sam

This is from “What Oneness Pentecostals Believe and Teach,” third edition by B.E. Echols, Marshall, TX, 1956 pages 10-12

A few things the Oneness Pentecostal People believe and teach that a Christian should NOT do or partake of are: drink beer, wine, whiskey ... use snuff or tobacco ...attend or take part in basketball, football and baseball games, picture shows, boxing and wrestling matches, visit pool halls, play golf or cards, dance, go swimming where both sexes are present ... telling jokes ... reading funny papers, novels ... listening in on comic radio programs and ungodly TV broadcasts. All such things rob a Christian of his spirituality and will eventually drown his soul in perdition.

Christian women should not bob their hair (1 Cor 11:5-11) get permanents (1 Tim 2:9, 10), wear jewelry as ornaments (this applies to men also); wear socks, use rouge and lip-stick or paint their eyebrows, eyelashes or fingernails; neither should they wear low neck, short skirt and short-sleeve dresses --especially in public ... abstain from all lustful and pagan customs of the ungodly, such as necking, kissing, spooning and keeping late hours at night.

Kissing is Pagan.....Seriously...?