The Eulogy Begins

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

not entirely true...

www.skyangel.com

you can get ONLY skyangel channels for like $12/month or something like that...

Skyangel? What does that foolishness have to do with my family and I?

What is on that television station that anyone in my family would care to watch? You have ever listen to Christian Radio? Adventures in Odyssey is humanistic tripe. So if I spend 12 dollars a month I could watch more of the same spew? No thank you. Television has nothing to offer the world but lies and deception. The preachers that are on it are entertainers, Paula and Randy White have proved to the world that so-called Televised Christianity is a farce and their divorce announcement and Juanita Bynum's blow out with Thomas Weeks happens just weeks before the big let down at General Conference. How about that for a bad omen. What happened to discernment there?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Skyangel? What does that foolishness have to do with my family and I?

What is on that television station that anyone in my family would care to watch? You have ever listen to Christian Radio? Adventures in Odyssey is humanistic tripe. So if I spend 12 dollars a month I could watch more of the same spew? No thank you. Television has nothing to offer the world but lies and deception. The preachers that are on it are entertainers, Paula and Randy White have proved to the world that so-called Televised Christianity is a farce and their divorce announcement and Juanita Bynum's blow out with Thomas Weeks happens just weeks before the big let down at General Conference. How about that for a bad omen. What happened to discernment there?

methinks someone didn't even go to the website and see what it is and what is all on it...

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

oh come on... you have got to be kidding me if you don't think you have power over people...

your power comes from the midieval system of religion that was started when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire and is continued on today in all kinds of churches making "pastors" some sort of demi-god who are somehow more holy than everyone else in the congregation, rather than just a member of the congregation itself like the Bible and the original church intended...

Man,I got chills just reading that.

Groovy!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Skyangel? What does that foolishness have to do with my family and I?

What is on that television station that anyone in my family would care to watch? You have ever listen to Christian Radio? Adventures in Odyssey is humanistic tripe. So if I spend 12 dollars a month I could watch more of the same spew? No thank you. Television has nothing to offer the world but lies and deception. The preachers that are on it are entertainers, Paula and Randy White have proved to the world that so-called Televised Christianity is a farce and their divorce announcement and Juanita Bynum's blow out with Thomas Weeks happens just weeks before the big let down at General Conference. How about that for a bad omen. What happened to discernment there?

People who love tv will go to absurd lengths to defend and justify it.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

for what they are, they are very very good... the animation is top notch, the stories are humorous, and they get what they set out to do done...

You need to get out of the house more, do you have a job?

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

I just don't see how anyone can rip on them the way that he did, that's impressively absurd and quite pathetic...

Do they ever say the NAME JESUS, you seem to be dancing around that question. How about giving to a try and answer? Do they ever mention the name JESUS CHIRST? If NOT why NOT?

[QUOTE=redeemedcynic84;258421]
I mean... its a children's program... Its mostly meant to be absurd...[QUOTE]

What does that mean? As a parent you are to train and teach your children and not drop them in front of the Spew Tube and let them vegetate in front of the TV set. So you advocate teaching children absurdities? We are to give them the proper information concerning God their Father, not half-truths as presented by a group of individuals looking to make a buck off of religion.

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

you aren't going to get deep theological dissertations and to expect one either means you are insane or you don't understand the purpose of the show...

Insane because one doesn't understand the purpose of a cartoon?
You are not helping your case, Veggietales pupose is to teach good deeds and not Christ or the truth of the Word.

It is designed to keep the ignorant, ignorant and the parents of those children don't even know their own Bible to be able to tell the difference, so they allow their children to be filled with misconceptions about God's Word.

Like I always say, children can't choose their parents.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Very good you are so spiritual that you miss the point it's not about television, it's about an organization becoming commercialized.

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Dear Christian, I didn't miss the point! You accuse the organization of becoming commercialized by what's happened this past weekend. I have been to many campmeetings and I have seen tables full of advertisements! This has happened before a resolution was passed! Buy this book, buy that book...don't overlook this teaching all for a cost! I can only imagine the Apostle Paul coming to town for a "crusade" pre-empted by his entourage "preparing" the convention center with huge screens, multiple seating and " Please don't forget to ' visit ' the literature table, all for an ' offering ' " It seems like certain ones are using a " resolution " to put down on someone when this organization is guilty of it in another form!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Here yet another conversation with you that ends up with you as the victim.

Pointing out that you put words in my mouth makes me "the victim"?? Hey...did you do a lot of drugs before coming to the Lord?

Sad way to go through life.

Yeah...if it were the truth and not a lie.

Everyone else gets mad at you, you are so misunderstood, whatever, it's wait and see how you and your church family blossom as a result of the past vote. If you don't or fail to take opportunity then you were just blowing smoke.

What an inflated ego...lol

Or is that what you were taught? That you have to have ethics with other UPCers but Independents are non-issues?

Please show how it is unethical to have more than one Oneness church in a city.

Keep in mind that it was you who brought this issue up not me. So as far as words being placed in your mouth, they were already there so deal with it. Stop weeping and crying foul when that is not the case here, man up.

No, keep in mind that it was you that stated sarcastically that you are waiting to see what happens. I told you what I think will happen. BTW the only one "weeping" is the whiner you see when you look in the mirror. Everyone knows it EB. You put words in peoples mouths because you don't have the brain cells left to just refute their real arguments. You resort to pejorative arguments and are just all around obnoxious and rude. That does not make us the victim. That makes you the one that looks rather silly

I know you think your posting style is just as witty as can be, but others find it pretty lame.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Television is controlled by a group of ungodly and wicked men--producers and other high ups in a corrupt industry.

What you see on the internet is controlled by you.

That's not true. You must not really ever even watch it. It's certain channels that are controlled like that and that only have ungodly content. NOT all channels are full of that stuff just as not all web sites are full of that stuff AND you CAN control what you watch on TV. You can change channels. You can turn it off. You can read what will be on before you even turn the TV on.

And yet there are men all over the world addicted to Internet porn...even men in churches and we have warned against places like "Myspace" and internet predators....and yet still somehow TV bad, Internet good just keeps playing over and over.

The problem is not the medium. The problem is individuals who don't know how to walk with the Lord day by day by day and to resist evil...be it out on the job, be it on the net or on TV....because we have decided we can control their brain and protect them from evil by legislating things like "TV is a sin to own or watch" and leave it at that

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

That's not true. You must not really ever even watch it. It's certain channels that are controlled like that and that only have ungodly content. NOT all channels are full of that stuff just as not all web sites are full of that stuff AND you CAN control what you watch on TV. You can change channels. You can turn it off. You can read what will be on before you even turn the TV on.

And yet there are men all over the world addicted to Internet porn...even men in churches and we have warned against places like "Myspace" and internet predators....and yet still somehow TV bad, Internet good just keeps playing over and over.

The problem is not the medium. The problem is individuals who don't know how to walk with the Lord day by day by day and to resist evil...be it out on the job, be it on the net or on TV....because we have decided we can control their brain and protect them from evil by legislating things like "TV is a sin to own or watch" and leave it at that

No, I am not a tv watcher.

It isn't about mind control; it is about encouraging people to make good decisions.

And furthermore, right or wrong, when something has been preached into the conscience of people, you are doing great damage when you try and remove it.

Especially when tv has virtually no redeeming value.

The same cannot be said of the internet.

[triumphant1]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Television is entertianment, Internet is information.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Television is controlled by a group of ungodly and wicked men--producers and other high ups in a corrupt industry.

What you see on the internet is controlled by you.

You know...these arguments might hold a little water if there weren't so many people--even in the Apostolic ranks--that have been totally destroyed by the Internet...

I have NEVER had one problem come to my office about a teenager or a married couple having sin issues and problems with TV...but I have had several come in to confess Internet problems....I have had at least one marriage break up over the Internet and that was when we were UPC...

I had one family who came to our church from a reputable UC in our area...they were with me about one year when they brought their teen boy in over Internet problems...I told them the best thing they could do was disconnect it....about 1 year later, they left because I allowed TVs in leadership....

OH, BTW, they still have the Internet....and that boy does not go to any church and lives in obvious sin....

And you guys try to paint TV as the big evil home buster and sin creator...that would be laughable if it weren't so sad...

The issue for us is clear, we tell our people to control the technology! I am very hard on this in our church...but again, I don't waste too much time trying to harp on TV...I spend more time harping about the Internet, because the Internet has done much more harm in my days of pastoring than TV ever has...

YOU guys know this!!!

You know it but you can't admit it because of tradition and your desire to use this medium!!

If I were you, and I was going to take that stand on TV, I'd take the "no Internet" stand as well....it's the only way what you preach makes any sense to those who recognize the truth about technology.