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10-02-2007, 08:17 AM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Raven
Millions in merchandising have been made by the creators of the "Left Behind" series. If you grew up in Pentecost, as I have, you can remember revivals, youth camps, and conferences, where altars were full of crying young people and the smell of brimstone was almost real. Perhaps an evangelist had screamed into a mike that the trumpet was about to sound and many were going to be left behind. Or you walked into an unexpectedly quiet house after school and panicked when Mom couldn't be found. Left behind! You missed the Rapture! You lived in fear of being left behind.
Perhaps it is time to take a new look at some old things. I'm not here to discuss Rapture, Pre- Mid- or Post, but to examin the scripture that was used to propagate the "left behind" doctrine. Are you sure you don't want to be left behind?
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
It is obvious, with some examination, that the ones "taken" are taken in judgment and that Noah was "left" behind. Whatever one believes about the "Rapture", you certainly, from this scripture, want to be left behind!
Raven
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I have studied this very same thought (last year) and came to the same conclusion, it is amazing how our heritage blinds us to the very clear teaching of scripture. If we can take our cultural glasses off, scripture has "many wonderful things to show us, that we know not of". Great post, Raven.
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10-02-2007, 10:32 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Raven
Millions in merchandising have been made by the creators of the "Left Behind" series. If you grew up in Pentecost, as I have, you can remember revivals, youth camps, and conferences, where altars were full of crying young people and the smell of brimstone was almost real. Perhaps an evangelist had screamed into a mike that the trumpet was about to sound and many were going to be left behind. Or you walked into an unexpectedly quiet house after school and panicked when Mom couldn't be found. Left behind! You missed the Rapture! You lived in fear of being left behind.
Perhaps it is time to take a new look at some old things. I'm not here to discuss Rapture, Pre- Mid- or Post, but to examin the scripture that was used to propagate the "left behind" doctrine. Are you sure you don't want to be left behind?
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
It is obvious, with some examination, that the ones "taken" are taken in judgment and that Noah was "left" behind. Whatever one believes about the "Rapture", you certainly, from this scripture, want to be left behind!
Raven
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10-03-2007, 06:36 AM
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Here is another interesting about MATT.24 why Jesus say for those that be in Judea to flee to the mountains,I don't live in Judea who on here does ?
See MATT.24:16
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That's because he was telling them what they are to do when they see the things he said were to come. It happend in their generation not ours.
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10-03-2007, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Raven
Millions in merchandising have been made by the creators of the "Left Behind" series. If you grew up in Pentecost, as I have, you can remember revivals, youth camps, and conferences, where altars were full of crying young people and the smell of brimstone was almost real. Perhaps an evangelist had screamed into a mike that the trumpet was about to sound and many were going to be left behind. Or you walked into an unexpectedly quiet house after school and panicked when Mom couldn't be found. Left behind! You missed the Rapture! You lived in fear of being left behind.
Perhaps it is time to take a new look at some old things. I'm not here to discuss Rapture, Pre- Mid- or Post, but to examin the scripture that was used to propagate the "left behind" doctrine. Are you sure you don't want to be left behind?
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
It is obvious, with some examination, that the ones "taken" are taken in judgment and that Noah was "left" behind. Whatever one believes about the "Rapture", you certainly, from this scripture, want to be left behind!
Raven
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Thanks to those who replied but it seems this post didn't generate much interest. In other words, don't confuse me with the facts! My objective was not to debate the various rapture theories but to show that the much held belief of being "left behind" can not be proven by the above quoted scripture.
Those "taken" are taken in judgment and those "left" inherited the Earth.
To paraphrase our good Brother Epley, "You may get there but not from here!"
I'll try again on another subject and another thread in the future.
Raven
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10-03-2007, 08:53 AM
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I just came across this thread and found your initial post quite interesting.
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10-03-2007, 09:15 AM
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Hello AFF!
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But what about being changed in a moment? You know...the dead in Christ will rise first and we that are alive will be caught up in the clouds.
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10-03-2007, 09:24 AM
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cool , good point raven i for sure dont want to be taken in judgement, dt
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10-03-2007, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84
I think the issue is that he didn't say they weren't drunk because they didn't drink ever...
he said they weren't drunk because it was too early in the morning for them to be drunk...
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i agree redcyn that the scripture you mention is being interpreted wrong by many people, no doubt, but there are a ton of reasons to preach and teach against drinking without misusing this passage, dt
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10-03-2007, 09:29 AM
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Raven some interesting insight!
Thanks for sharing.
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10-03-2007, 11:16 AM
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Jerry Moon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven
Millions in merchandising have been made by the creators of the "Left Behind" series. If you grew up in Pentecost, as I have, you can remember revivals, youth camps, and conferences, where altars were full of crying young people and the smell of brimstone was almost real. Perhaps an evangelist had screamed into a mike that the trumpet was about to sound and many were going to be left behind. Or you walked into an unexpectedly quiet house after school and panicked when Mom couldn't be found. Left behind! You missed the Rapture! You lived in fear of being left behind.
Perhaps it is time to take a new look at some old things. I'm not here to discuss Rapture, Pre- Mid- or Post, but to examin the scripture that was used to propagate the "left behind" doctrine. Are you sure you don't want to be left behind?
Matthew 24:37-41
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
It is obvious, with some examination, that the ones "taken" are taken in judgment and that Noah was "left" behind. Whatever one believes about the "Rapture", you certainly, from this scripture, want to be left behind!
Raven
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In the days of Noah, those that were taken were destroyed... had I been in the early church, I would for sure want to be left behind... because when the Old Covenant church was taken, the church was left behind.
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