CONSISTENCY!! And the Affirmation Statement

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

NYLP - You are Great and I like you and I agree with you but then again - I have compromised everything and gone totally down the tubes by being on TBN.
Did you know that they make you sign your name in BLOOD that you will NOT say a word about ONE GOD and water baptism or holiness and that you have to say TRINITY at least THREE times if you want to be on there????????????
You know - I thought about it - but then three big ole BODY GUARDS (I mean armorbearers) were staring at me and one put his hand on his hip like - uh he might have been PACKIN" so - Lord help me - I SIGNED IT - but ---- I did not really mean it - I mean - It was an affirmation statement that said - I renounce ONE GOD and promise I will preach THREE GODS and that women HAVE TO WEAR make up, jewelry, cut hair and BRITCHES and that men HAVE to have FACIAL HAIR and a ring or two and talk about PROSPERITY and sowing seed into the THREE GOD MESSAGE!
I SIGNED IT - BUT I DID NOT MEAN IT! How's that??????????????

ab, you funny, i like you, dt

[AGAPE]

If you offend in 1 you offend in all....

obtw surely you jest that these guys wives cut their hair???

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

NYLP - You are Great and I like you and I agree with you but then again - I have compromised everything and gone totally down the tubes by being on TBN.
Did you know that they make you sign your name in BLOOD that you will NOT say a word about ONE GOD and water baptism or holiness and that you have to say TRINITY at least THREE times if you want to be on there????????????
You know - I thought about it - but then three big ole BODY GUARDS (I mean armorbearers) were staring at me and one put his hand on his hip like - uh he might have been PACKIN" so - Lord help me - I SIGNED IT - but ---- I did not really mean it - I mean - It was an affirmation statement that said - I renounce ONE GOD and promise I will preach THREE GODS and that women HAVE TO WEAR make up, jewelry, cut hair and BRITCHES and that men HAVE to have FACIAL HAIR and a ring or two and talk about PROSPERITY and sowing seed into the THREE GOD MESSAGE!
I SIGNED IT - BUT I DID NOT MEAN IT! How's that??????????????

Did the Debil MAKE you sign that AS?????

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop
NYLP - You are Great and I like you and I agree with you but then again - I have compromised everything and gone totally down the tubes by being on TBN.
Did you know that they make you sign your name in BLOOD that you will NOT say a word about ONE GOD and water baptism or holiness and that you have to say TRINITY at least THREE times if you want to be on there????????????
You know - I thought about it - but then three big ole BODY GUARDS (I mean armorbearers) were staring at me and one put his hand on his hip like - uh he might have been PACKIN" so - Lord help me - I SIGNED IT - but ---- I did not really mean it - I mean - It was an affirmation statement that said - I renounce ONE GOD and promise I will preach THREE GODS and that women HAVE TO WEAR make up, jewelry, cut hair and BRITCHES and that men HAVE to have FACIAL HAIR and a ring or two and talk about PROSPERITY and sowing seed into the THREE GOD MESSAGE!
I SIGNED IT - BUT I DID NOT MEAN IT! How's that??????????????

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Did the Debil MAKE you sign that AS?????

Oh yes, It was De Debil dat made me sign dat affirmation statement! I did SIGN it - but I DID NOT MEAN IT - so dat makes it OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like signing and having a TV or going swimming with other people or watching anything on video that is NOT educational or allowing wedding rings or just a little bit of make up and girls wearing pajama pants or going hose - less and guys having eyebrows - facial hair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Straightline]

Originally Posted by NLYP

I have good friends... that DO attend theaters!

I have friends that I have PERSONALLY witnessed dance in a restaurant.

I have friends that DO attend things and take part in things that ARE mixed bathing.

I have friends that their wives DO trim their hair and DO wear modest makeup and DO cover up zits!

I have MANY friends that listen mainy to Country music

I have MANY..MANY friends that have tv sets in their homes....and they do not preach against tv. ...AND those that don't have dvd's of tv shows.

(I apologize for condensing your post - I just wanted to point out a common thread)
Can you really call them "friend" if they knowingly lie?

Just a thought


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"


The blind man cannot walk a
Straightline

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Ok..Its like this...Im JUST ABOUT weary of some of you guys praising the Affirmation Statement.

Lets look at it like this...shall we....

The affirmation statement in itself says that "I (Ministers Name) do hereby declare that I believe and embrace fundamental doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth by the United Pentecostal Church Int. I ALSO BELIEVE AND EMBRACE THE HOLINESS STANDARDS of the United Pentecostal Church Int. in said Articles of Faith,
And I PLEDGE to practice, teach and preach the same"

Interesting. It's been awhile since I've given any thought to the affirmation statement, but this post definitely raises some thought provoking issues.

The compliance demanded is total: to sign one must not only pledge to practice the holiness standards, but must, on the strength of their signature, pledge that they believe the holiness standards; further they must pledge to both teach and preach the same.

In the interest of unity for the cause of evangelism, a preacher might agree to practice the holiness standards, but practice is not enough, belief is demanded.

Originally Posted by NLYP

Lets take a section of the Holiness part...

We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and Godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing, women cutting their hair, make-up, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music. Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church."

Break it down....

FIRST AND FOREMOST..."We wholeheartedly disapprove" is NOT a WE FORBID..it is a postion with understanding that men have different views on some issues.

This has the appearance of being a nonsensical statement. No signatory to the affirmation statement can disassociate himself from the corporate "we" in this article, and, in the context of a pastor and congregation relationship, how can a minister wholeheartedly disapprove of something and not forbid what he wholeheartedly disapproves of?

Originally Posted by NLYP

Remember....the AS...says

I ALSO BELIEVE AND EMBRACE THE HOLINESS STANDARDS of the United Pentecostal Church Int. in said Articles of Faith,
And I PLEDGE to practice, teach and preach the same"

I see no pick and and choose room there..........................

IF you sign it and violate just 1 of the standards set...you are lying.

NLYP

This statement is made repeatedly on this forum, and I have yet to see it refuted. There are few ministers that wholeheartedly agree with every issue expressed in the holiness article so there must be a good refutation to this statement, but I've yet to hear it.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Straightline

(I apologize for condensing your post - I just wanted to point out a common thread)
Can you really call them "friend" if they knowingly lie?

Just a thought


"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"


The blind man cannot walk a
Straightline

I kinda knew that some would point this out...And Yes they are my friends....

BUT...I will say my respect for them does suffer.

Not at all mad you pointed this out....just sad that I had to show this as examples.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Interesting. It's been awhile since I've given any thought to the affirmation statement, but this post definitely raises some thought provoking issues.

The compliance demanded is total: to sign one must not only pledge to practice the holiness standards, but must, on the strength of their signature, pledge that they believe the holiness standards; further they must pledge to both teach and preach the same.

In the interest of unity for the cause of evangelism, a preacher might agree to practice the holiness standards, but practice is not enough, belief is demanded.



This has the appearance of being a nonsensical statement. No signatory to the affirmation statement can disassociate himself from the corporate "we" in this article, and, in the context of a pastor and congregation relationship, how can a minister wholeheartedly disapprove of something and not forbid what he wholeheartedly disapproves of?



This statement is made repeatedly on this forum, and I have yet to see it refuted. There are few ministers that wholeheartedly agree with every issue expressed in the holiness article so there must be a good refutation to this statement, but I've yet to hear it.

And you wont.....Sad that they rant and rave about things they can see....but when they are nailed about the things done is secret...they run for cover.

I am VERY surprised that some on here, that I highly respect, have not even commented on this thread.

Proves a point....doesnt it.

NOW you see why I think the AS is pointless....VERY VERY VERY few actually do it the way it mandates.
So, it makes liars out of all of us.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

NYLP - You are Great and I like you and I agree with you but then again - I have compromised everything and gone totally down the tubes by being on TBN.
Did you know that they make you sign your name in BLOOD that you will NOT say a word about ONE GOD and water baptism or holiness and that you have to say TRINITY at least THREE times if you want to be on there????????????
You know - I thought about it - but then three big ole BODY GUARDS (I mean armorbearers) were staring at me and one put his hand on his hip like - uh he might have been PACKIN" so - Lord help me - I SIGNED IT - but ---- I did not really mean it - I mean - It was an affirmation statement that said - I renounce ONE GOD and promise I will preach THREE GODS and that women HAVE TO WEAR make up, jewelry, cut hair and BRITCHES and that men HAVE to have FACIAL HAIR and a ring or two and talk about PROSPERITY and sowing seed into the THREE GOD MESSAGE!
I SIGNED IT - BUT I DID NOT MEAN IT! How's that??????????????

You sir are having one of those days.

[RevBuddy]

NLYP,

I'm not certain I want to be one of YOUR friends...it seems you do an excellent self-serving job of analyzing others for YOUR own benefit and purposes...maybe you might want to give some thought to praying for, loving and nurturing Jesus Christ in YOUR life and theirs.

Otherwise, all this "much ado about nothing" and simplistic thinking is for no avail...any Heavy Hitter could expose YOUR shallow thinking in about 5 scriptural references ("I can name that tune in 4 notes!!")