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Old 10-03-2007, 07:08 PM
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Elder, while I am probably a moderate conservstive, I agree 110% with you.
One scripture to go with that prediction.

Jer 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully.......
And yet they did not have TV in Jeremiahs day?

See the problem is you all are saying it's the TV....it's NOT The TV. It's YOU and I. It's US.

We've had already many failings in our circles. One does not have to be on TV for that to happen
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:09 PM
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Elder, while I am probably a moderate conservstive, I agree 110% with you.
One scripture to go with that prediction.

Jer 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully.......
Aooooogah!!! Aooooogah!! Aoooooogah!! Aoooooogah!!!

Look what you done did Ron, you triggered the scripture bending out of context horn!
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:12 PM
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There will NOT be masses of sinners coming into churches advertsing on television but rather saints from smaller works will be sucked into large churches and the Pastor will be claiming revival in the name of television.
I'm sure that those people in small churches have already heard of or have been to those bigger churches, yet still continue attending their small church.

My take on it is, if someone leaves your church for another, it's because of one of two main reasons:

1. You aren't giving them the meat of the Word, yet the other church feeds them until they are fat.....so they should go, because being saved is more important than who's church they attend.....

2. They aren't there to serve God but to serve themselves and the appeal of a big church draws them more than God does.......and in that case, you would be better off without those people in your church.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:12 PM
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I usually agree with your analysis on things in Pentecost but not here. Oneness Pentecost is a small world and some saint of a small church seeing a TV ad for a larger one is not going to see anything about that church that he does not already know.
I think I just kinda said that......LOL!

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Old 10-03-2007, 07:16 PM
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I'm sure that those people in small churches have already heard of or have been to those bigger churches, yet still continue attending their small church.

My take on it is, if someone leaves your church for another, it's because of one of two main reasons:

1. You aren't giving them the meat of the Word, yet the other church feeds them until they are fat.....so they should go, because being saved is more important than who's church they attend.....

2. They aren't there to serve God but to serve themselves and the appeal of a big church draws them more than God does.......and in that case, you would be better off without those people in your church.
HO, your number two point is the exact reason I would give for disagreeing with your first point.

We left the tiny church because of a lack of bouncity-bounce-bounce worship. Only later did I discover all the awesome preaching I missed out on because the small guy either couldnt or wouldnt invite those guys in. I remember being blown away the first time I heard the likes of Floyd Odom and Murrel Ewing (a celebrity in my mind after the Lanny Wolf UPC "We are the World" album)
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:22 PM
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Aooooogah!!! Aooooogah!! Aoooooogah!! Aoooooogah!!!

Look what you done did Ron, you triggered the scripture bending out of context horn!
It happens all the time with the liberals Carp.

Although I dare you before God to prove that this in anyway can not be connected to this issue.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:31 PM
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HO, your number two point is the exact reason I would give for disagreeing with your first point.

We left the tiny church because of a lack of bouncity-bounce-bounce worship. Only later did I discover all the awesome preaching I missed out on because the small guy either couldnt or wouldnt invite those guys in. I remember being blown away the first time I heard the likes of Floyd Odom and Murrel Ewing (a celebrity in my mind after the Lanny Wolf UPC "We are the World" album)
My friend, in my post I put 'two MAIN reasons', knowing there are many others. It's just my POV from what I've personally witnessed in the many churches I have attended.
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:00 PM
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There will NOT be masses of sinners coming into churches advertsing on television but rather saints from smaller works will be sucked into large churches and the Pastor will be claiming revival in the name of television.
Not to your church! LOL

The truth is that the passing of the Res 4 is only the beginning. As my dear Brother NLYP has said is that they can do tv ministry too. Like Prax said with Saddleback did mass mailing before other things. TV is not the only outreach toy churches should be using. It should one of the many. I know alot of people have been critical of the White's church Without Walls, but it has been reported that they have a few hundred outreaches. I am not sure how many outreaches can be done from one assembly, but there can be at least a dozen. Elder, I do not know you very well, but I do know that you are passionate and real. You do not care whether people agree with you or not. Personally, I believe that you and your church could benefit from advertising on Tv or doing a Tv ministry. Of course that is considering if you did not think it was wrong.

I look at what T.D. Jakes did his first time on TBN. He was selling a book and they brought him on there and he showed his book and they SOLD OUT!!! They sold so many books that they had to go reprint them. It made him a millionaire. I am not for Tv so everyone can be a millionaire, but I would like to believe that if the money started coming in that the money would be turned back into the outreach of the word. You sir would probably benefit from it. The truth is that you are UC so that might work against you, but I promise once some sees your passion for Jesus they will want it too. Passion is what will draw some people in.
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We left the tiny church because of a lack of bouncity-bounce-bounce worship.

Why weren't you bouncity-bounce-bounce worshiping?
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To the best of my knowledge Saddleback does not have a national tv ministry. I don't believe they have a television ministry at all. I think they advertise on television, but not in the form of a prefab broadcast.

Many of the small churches should close down. It is ridiculous to have a bunch of little churches in one area. Many of those little churches were founded on less than pure motives.


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The problem is not TV though. Saddleback was not on TV when it first started. They did a mail out campaign. The same thing can happen to a church NOT on TV....

BTW are all the members of AMs church converts or did any of them come from other churches?
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