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Old 03-04-2007, 11:44 PM
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why would Jesus use a parable in which a Father gives his long lost son a ring???
In those days men used rings as signets, or family seals that they can stamp on contracts etc. In essence the Father was giving the long lost son authority to again use His name. Since the day of Pentecost we dont need a ring anymore, Eph.1:13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise."NKJV
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:46 PM
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In those days men used rings as signets, or family seals that they can stamp on contracts etc. In essence the Father was giving the long lost son authority to again use His name. Since the day of Pentecost we dont need a ring anymore, Eph.1:13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise."NKJV
How is it you guys get to explain stuff away like this .. I don't get it ....
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:59 PM
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How is it you guys get to explain stuff away like this .. I don't get it ....
what do you mean "you guys'? I just told you why a ring was used in the parable, and now were sealed by the Holy Ghost. Since the Holy Ghost wasn't given when Jesus gave the parable He had to use some kind of symbol that they could identify with. It is a parable, isn't it? BTW if someone wants a ring on every finger, toe, ear ,nose, eyelid, or whatever it dont bother me. I never wore jewlery before I was in the church anyway, I think its a waste of money, and another reason for someone to rob you. What does my salvation have to do with someone else wearing jewlery? Let everyone work out there own salvation with fear and trembling.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:13 AM
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In those days men used rings as signets, or family seals that they can stamp on contracts etc. In essence the Father was giving the long lost son authority to again use His name. Since the day of Pentecost we dont need a ring anymore, Eph.1:13 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise."NKJV
It seems to me that although the spiritual significance was different, the physical was not.

The coming of the Spirit did not do away with the purpose or use of the signet ring. Men continued to use signet rings throughout the ages.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:15 AM
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It seems to me that although the spiritual significance was different, the physical was not.

The coming of the Spirit did not do away with the purpose or use of the signet ring. Men continued to use signet rings throughout the ages.
Common sense .. that's what we need around here ... thank you Mrs. for stating what most would agree is obvious.
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Old 03-05-2007, 12:16 AM
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I don't believe it's a sin to wear jewelry -- want to make that clear and I don't condemn those who do.

To me it's all about emphasis and it's pretty clear to me that the emphasis in Scripture was on our heart and spirit and I'm sure the NT saints weren't all decked out in jewelry because the message presented over and over was so much about modesty and temperance.

Peter and Paul wrote those scriptures because there were a lot of new believers in the church who had come in out of the "world" ... out of a pagan heathen culture. Teaching was needed in regard to how Christian women should look and how they should act.
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Old 03-05-2007, 01:08 AM
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We don't need a ring to show that we have authority to use the Father's name, since were sealed by His Spirit. What's so hard to understand about that?
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Old 03-05-2007, 07:32 AM
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It is the most vial spaces, causes many men to seek perversion. It brings to the looking eye all the pride and lust of the flesh.

It is home to $10 Billion dollars per year in the US. Some estimate... it brings in some 48 Billion world wide.

It is one of the single reasons for deprevation in our new age culture.

Yet you and all of us use it each and everyday.

It is the Internet.

Along with all the perversions and sin.

We find ourselves talking about the things of God.

SO more that the wearing of earings and a necklace.

You have already gone down the super highway.

You have learned how to use the internet for spiritual gain.

So as do some in moderation with their apparel.

There is more temptation on the internet.

It has destroyed many a Christian home.

If we could find out...

We all know someone who's marriage or spiritual life has been derailed be the internet........

For some it is like their first drink or cocain snort.
Bro, I have used the internet argument myself in the context of the TV issue.
in my mind you cannot preach against TV yet allow the use of the internet and be consistant. Ive said that from day one. however, this use of the internet argument to say you cannot preach against jewlery but allow internet is just plain wrong.
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Old 03-05-2007, 07:37 AM
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I believe in moderation, not overly exposed, not overly costly, not hiding behind a mask of outward adornment.

Any outward presentation that draws attention to oneself is immodest. I believe apostilics need to be especially cautious in this area today, because traditional apostolic apparel and hair styles are very often very, very obtrusive. The current culture is more casual, many apostolics do not know how to dress causal? I observed a very obvious example of this at Outback at lunch today. I do not think it glorifies God, hey they were dressed to the tilt 'looking good'.
God forbid! Sombody went to lunch after CHURCH ON SUNDAY dressed up. Amazing! the sin of it all! good grief. this is your proff that Apostolics dont know how to dress casual?
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Old 03-05-2007, 08:07 AM
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Bro, I have used the internet argument myself in the context of the TV issue.
in my mind you cannot preach against TV yet allow the use of the internet and be consistant. Ive said that from day one. however, this use of the internet argument to say you cannot preach against jewlery but allow internet is just plain wrong.
My argument was around the idea that Jewlery leads to other things. SO does the internet and so many other things.

Moderation is the key.

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