A question from a saint... for anyone that would like to give an answer...

[RandyWayne]

She did all of the yardwork and upkeep herself, and many is the time in my youth our family would go by there and see her up on a ladder in a pair of baggie jeans.

She never wore them anywhere else and would have had a duck to see me in pants.

Well into her 70s she wore them...not to be cute, but for convenience sake.

We never thought that she was out of line for doing so, and I still don't.

It probably makes you cringe to see a thread entitled "Will a Woman go to Hell for Wearing Pants?".

It makes me cringe too.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It probably makes you cringe to see a thread entitled "Will a Woman go to Hell for Wearing Pants?".

It makes me cringe too.

Does me Because of my leg injuries I feel much better and my legs hurt less when I wear pants...especially in cold weather. When the metal gets cold my bones ache and ache...and I'd hate to think God would keep me out of heaven over keeping my legs warm.

[Ron]

I tend to believe in women not wearing pants & in women having uncut hair as well!

Sad thing is brethren if you believe in and see scripture for it you are a "legalist"
and should be "silenced" for seeing scripture in that context.

Another sad thing is that people who don't see it that way want to have "tolerence" for their views, but can not respect others who do not see it that way!

Sad indeed.

[Bro-Larry]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Pelathais,

You have given her good answers to her questions. The only point I can see that I agree with about the Doctrine of the hair is that God does honor our obedience to those who have the rule over us.

Many times children obey parents not understanding why they have told

Hi Rhoni,

I like your posts. I just want to add a comment on this part of your post.

There are many stipulations in Hebrews Ch 13 for us to consider regarding our obeying those who have the rule over us. We are not obligated to blindly obey anyone.

1) Are they speaking, "the Word of God"? (Heb 13: 7)
2) Does their faith follow? (vs. 7)
3) Is their lifestyle consistent with their own teaching? (vs. 7)
4) Are they teaching, "divers and strange doctrines"? (vs. 9)
5) Are they "teaching for doctrines, the commandments of men"? (Mk 7:7)
6) Are they "placing an unnecessary yoke on Jesus' disciples"? (Acts 15:10)

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by big-larry

Hi Rhoni,

I like your posts. I just want to add a comment on this part of your post.

There are many stipulations in Hebrews Ch 13 for us to consider regarding our obeying those who have the rule over us. We are not obligated to blindly obey anyone.

1) Are they speaking, "the Word of God"? (Heb 13: 7)
2) Does their faith follow? (vs. 7)
3) Is their lifestyle consistent with their own teaching? (vs. 7)
4) Are they teaching, "divers and strange doctrines"? (vs. 9)
5) Are they "teaching for doctrines, the commandments of men"? (Mk 7:7)
6) Are they "placing an unnecessary yoke on Jesus' disciples"? (Acts 15:10)

Yes, I agree Big Larry! Pastor spoke on this subject 8/29/07. When the Jewish leaders were trying to make the Gentiles conform to their Jewish law when Christ saved them/filled them with the Holy Ghost just as he did the Jews. Paul kind of called their hand on it. It is time for us to call the hand of those who would keep us in bondage to a law that Christ died to fulfill.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Some of us have never changed and never will. The bible tells us that there will be a great falling away and that is what you are seeing. People are in love with the world instead of in love with the Lord.

HOGWASH!

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Ron

I tend to believe in women not wearing pants & in women having uncut hair as well!

Sad thing is brethren if you believe in and see scripture for it you are a "legalist"
and should be "silenced" for seeing scripture in that context.

Another sad thing is that people who don't see it that way want to have "tolerence" for their views, but can not respect others who do not see it that way!

Sad indeed.

I agree

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Some of us have never changed and never will. The bible tells us that there will be a great falling away and that is what you are seeing. People are in love with the world instead of in love with the Lord.

Yes, Wholehearted, you are correct. Consider the apostasy within the Apostolic movement over the last 60 or 70 years. There was a time when the Finished Work of Calvary was preached as an integral part of the Apostolic message. Over the years however, many worldly preachers have come along to seduce the people into believing that man-made works and traditions could replace what God did for us on Calvary.

They have taken the cross out of the message and replaced it with worldly fashions. Consider the pioneers of our faith who believed that it was effeminate for a man to shave his face smooth like a woman's. But then worldly styles changed. No sooner did the Prince of Wales (Later to be crowned Edward VIII) come onto to the fashion scene that the

Worldly Fashion Changes - and so did many of the "Apostolics!"
To the left, George V, r. 1910-1936; to the right Edward VIII, r. 1936.

world's fashions changed as well. Suddenly this hip and "modern" young man was setting the pace for the way men groomed the world over. Craving acceptance by the world many Apostolic preachers left the old paths behind. In time Edward would lose his crown because of the choices he made. How many Apostolics would also lose their crowns?

There's a lesson to be learned here. Give up your worldly path and get back to the old paths. Go back to Calvary and find the cross again for yourselves.

[Thad]

I don't believe this. I don't believe it was a King from England that caused preachers to preach againt facial hair. It was the wild hippies that came along and did years of irreparable damage to our culture

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Ron

I tend to believe in women not wearing pants & in women having uncut hair as well!

Sad thing is brethren if you believe in and see scripture for it you are a "legalist"
and should be "silenced" for seeing scripture in that context.

Another sad thing is that people who don't see it that way want to have "tolerence" for their views, but can not respect others who do not see it that way!

Sad indeed.

Yes, all of those preachers who "compromise" on these issues are known for getting up at GC, camps and Dist Conf's and blasting away about the "legalists." uhm... wait a minute, it's always the "legalists" who is doing the blasting from the pulpits of our GC, camps and Dist. Conf's. Maybe what you describe exists in your area, but traveling around much of North America I have seen just the ooposite.

Ron, there's plenty of finger pointing that can be done, but it's those who want to be "legalistic" who have tended to be the harshest. They have pursued an agenda that violates the merger agreement since there was a merger agreement. They don't encourage their people to fellowship with saints from other churches because they don't want them to see that there's a diversity of opinion. They never respected the other side and they do not cooperate. And now many of their voices are calling for a walk-out.

Personally I couldn't care less about the "pants" (as long as we understand what is modest) or the hair issues. My own wife and daughter have never cut their hair- not once, not a single strand in all of their lives. To be honest, I've never even heard our current pastor preach on either and he has the reputation for being rather conservative. And I don't "force" them one way or the other (it wouldn't matter; they'd take just as long to get ready anyway...). But they have their consecration. It's theirs and not one I have forced upon them. It doesn't give them "magic hair" but I think it does do some good in the self esteem department. I'm sure you've seen the same thing among those who you're close to.

What troubles me is the way that the cross of Christ is crowded out by a bunch of clothesline preaching. We have trained an army to judge the outward appearances but they too often miss what's within their own hearts.