My Response to "The Devolution of Government - Globally & in the Church" by the NCO

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I disagree because I believe Brother Griffin is now saying the NCO is something different than what the website blatantly shows them to be.

I disagree because there is an obvious effort to draw men out of the UPC, written by Saulters, and now denied by Griffin.

I disagree because if the NCO is only an affiliation, whose stated goal is unity and ecumenicalism, the articles I have mentioned pervert that purpose.


In short, the AFF posts and purpose as stated by Griffin do not match the content of the NCO's site.

Langston is still very much UPC, so I guess that just leaves RS. And to judge the entire web site (which you apparently have not read) by a single article is uncharacteristic of you. It feels as though there is something personal between you and RS. If so I will sincerely be praying for you both.

As far as your opinion of the original article. The anti-thesis of its premise is that we should continue to further divide, fragment, isolate and that unity is is not something which should be sought. Surely that is not the case. I repeat let the United Pentecostal Church remain United.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Langston is still very much UPC, so I guess that just leaves RS. And to judge the entire web site (which you apparently have not read) by a single article is uncharacteristic of you. It feels as though there is something personal between you and RS. If so I will sincerely be praying for you both.

As far as your opinion of the original article. The anti-thesis of its premise is that we should continue to further divide, fragment, isolate and that unity is is not something which should be sought. Surely that is not the case. I repeat let the United Pentecostal Church remain United.

I have read the site, and enjoy a lot of the content. I think you are a great writer, and a wonderful person to dialogue with.

I also happen to agree with the theme of your article.

Peace Brother.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I have read the site, and enjoy a lot of the content. I think you are a great writer, and a wonderful person to dialogue with.

I also happen to agree with the theme of your article.

Peace Brother.

To you as well, peace.

PS sorry I forgot

"I LOVE THE UPC"

still trying to figure out how to make that my tagline for you. :-)

Originally Posted by James Griffin

To you as well, peace.

PS sorry I forgot

"I LOVE THE UPC"

still trying to figure out how to make that my tagline for you. :-)

Go to user CP and add it as your signature line. Real simple!

if you need any help I am sure IAM would be glad to go in and make the change for you!

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I would not deny you the right to express your opinion about YOUR journey if it were done in terms that were about your perception of what happened and also without naming nor maligning individuals. His journey is his, just as yours and mine are unique.

But I also know how to differentiate the expressions of individuals from the stance of a fellowship. In that vein even though there have been individuals in this forum who have attacked the NCO by name, and personal attacks on some individuals I have never responded in kind. True Christians should be able to have frank discussions without personal attack. The ADMIN of this site seem to sincerely make attempts to keep that from happening and for the most part they are successful.

The RS article was about a thought paradigm, which could be applied to any denomination. Apparently no one has taken time to read other articles he has written since.

Bro. Griffin,

I have said repeatedly on this forum that perspective is always determined by position. Where one is standing always determines how they see a common object. If I am closer to the object than you I will see it differently, perhaps as an isolated object. This makes it impossible for me to see the bigger picture. This happens often because we are all usually too close to our given object to have a truly "objective", all encompassing view of it and we react to anothers comments. You on the other hand may be so far away from the object you fail to see the detail of the object and lose it in the bigger picture. Subsequently, you may not realize that you can still have a significant impact on what to you is an obscure object and you inadvertently say things that are hurtful.

Thus is the conundrum of life and human communications. The key, as I see it, is to never stop making a sincere effort to communicate... even if it seems like you are just wasting your time.

I try, not too successfully, to remember this when I post... I trust that others consider it as well.

[Nahum]

I wonder if the NCO's Saulters is upset that the tv resolution passed?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I wonder if the NCO's Saulters is upset that the tv resolution passed?

Interesting question. Perhaps you could ask him sometime. Think you guys both have a lot that needs to be discussed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

PP,

I am also surprised at you calling the NCO a "splinter group" as you full well know it is only an association of Oneness folks and not a replacement for any ogranizational membership any Preacher may have.

The NCO has never presented itself as an "alternative" to the UPC, ALJC, or any other Oneness organization but rather as an umbrella association of fellowship that should transcend the different organizations.

You may have legitimate gripes with the NCO but I thought that part of your post was unfair and a mischaracterization. That is not typical of you.

Isn't the UPC just an association? That is what we've been told over and over. But then we have seen posts here by DA on the NCO absorbing UPC members to the point that it even seems to be reaching out to UPC members that if they do leave, they have a place...rather than do what this article supposes...encourage to remain in unity

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I wonder if the NCO's Saulters is upset that the tv resolution passed?

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Interesting question. Perhaps you could ask him sometime. Think you guys both have a lot that needs to be discussed.

I doubt it would be profitable.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I doubt it would be profitable.

While I have never been of the incurable optimist mindset.

I do from time to time find myself pleasantly surprised.

You may be correct sir.

If so it is a loss to you both.