Numbers 28:7
And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.
Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Proverbs 31:5-7 (in Context) Proverbs 31 (Whole Chapter)
Dan, when I say "believe" i mean i cant state as fact because I cant get to what I need as a study source. however, from a quick look, several modern translations say "beer"
I am not being selective, as you should have been able to desern from my question, i am looking for an answer, not trying to justify anything.
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1. The Bible clearly defines drunkenness as a sin.
2. It does not clearly define drinking (in moderation, presumably withOUT becoming drunk) as a sin.
3. It DOES, however, strongly discourage Kings, Princes and Bishops from drinking at all. (Scripture references available for those who care.)
4. Culturally, it isn't wise, considering the overindulgence that IS a problem, especially among college age young people.
5. From a Christian perspective, should we associate ourselves with a habit that can break down families, cause a lack of good judgment, and turn perfectly nice people into monsters? To name a FEW....
6. What is the benefit of drinking, other than pleasure? Can anyone present a list of pros that is anywhere near the list of cons in size? (Don't bother with the "health" benefits. You can receive the same benefits from other sources.)
Why would you want to use something even occasionally that your children could become addicted to, and subsequently ruin their lives with?
My Daddy was a mean drunk, so I've been told through my mother and siblings who had to suffer through it. The fact that he later became a Christian did NOT undo their emotional pain. I know another member of this forum whose sister was killed by a drunk driver. I'm sure there are more than a few members who have struggled with alcoholism in the past, and as Christians we are NOT supposed to be stumbling blocks. Some users here probably had parents who abused them when they were drunk.
Biblical points aside, the insensitivity on this issue is shocking. Our western culture is not a culture of restraint, which places alcohol use in a whole different category than it was in Bible days.
BY the way...
I Corinthians 6:10 "...Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Anyone want to guess what "drunkard" means?
Are you ready?
methusos
meth'-oo-sos
From G3184; tipsy, that is, (as noun) a sot: - drunkard.
Originally Posted by Pianoman
Oh brother!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you when you get a DUI??? A drunkard or a buzzard???
DUI: Driving under the influence. "Buzz"
DWI: Driving while Intoxicated. "Drunk"
DUI is a lesser offence than DWI.
While staying out as long I could bear of the teetotaler vs drunk argument, I cannot in good conscience let your attempts at legal definitions slide. With 15 years criminal law experience as both prosecutor and defense attorney, I can say your concept is totally erroneous. DUI and DWI are different names for the same offense, depending on state. Both make ANY impairment from the norm a CRIMINAL offense, whether or not the driver is aware of the impairment! DUI does NOT require a buzz. Because the driver may not show any overt outward signs most states have laws allowing the presumption of impairment at certain blood alcohol levels. (Example Texas it's .08) Furthermore the law makes NO allowance for degrees of impairment.
If you want to confine your position to theology go ahead, but please do not attempt to shroud your position with total misinformation and using words carrying legal implication.
Selective theology.
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