Obeying The Gospel - Page 4

Praxeas · #31 03-05-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Prax, you know as well as I do that there are tons, millions of people who say they believe God, but don't do the works (Repentence, Baptism, Living for God).

James said "Faith without works is "DEAD!"

And? Im not sure what your point was....did you think I said they did do the works????

And repeating a verse as though I didn't read it the first time just doesn't make sense. What is it that you are disagreeing with?

Ron · #32 03-05-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Wow there is more to this obedience then you might think:

Acts 5:32 (KJV)
32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Rom 2:8 - 11 (KJV)
8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11For there is no respect of persons with God.

Rom 6:16 - 18 (KJV)
16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you .
18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Heb 5:8 - 9 (KJV)
8Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him

Very good scriptures.
Hey, it is there. If anyone has a problem with it they can wriggle out any view they like.

God requires obedience!

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Praxeas · #33 03-05-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

All this is recycled ... we addressed these same issues last 2 weeks in THE THREAD ... including how PAJCers misinterpret James 2 .... I'm not going thru this one again.

Then why do you keep posting? Are you seeking attention?

SDG · #34 03-05-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Then why do you keep posting? Are you seeking attention?

Why do you keep moderating? Are you seeking to feel important???

Ron · #35 03-05-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

And? Im not sure what your point was....did you think I said they did do the works????

And repeating a verse as though I didn't read it the first time just doesn't make sense. What is it that you are disagreeing with?

Meaning, I can believe (in fact at 8 yrs of age went to a Salvation Army altar and asked God into my heart then went and lived for the Devil!) in God all I want
but If I believe, I will obey, if I obey, I really believed!
Therefore, I Repent, I am Baptised in Water in Jesus Name, for the "Remission"
of Sins, and I worship God and he givers me his Spirit.

Sounds simple.

I have had tons of people who came to an altar to seek God for the Holy Ghost, but no one got it if they didn't first Worship him for it!

SDG · #36 03-05-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Meaning, I can believe (in fact at 8 yrs of age went to a Salvation Army altar and asked God into my heart then went and lived for the Devil!) in God all I want
but If I believe, I will obey, if I obey, I really believed!
Therefore, I Repent, I am Baptised in Water in Jesus Name, for the "Remission"
of Sins, and I worship God and he givers me his Spirit.

Sounds simple.

I have had tons of people who came to an altar to seek God for the Holy Ghost, but no one got it if they didn't first Worship him for it!

Sounds like one neat little package.

RevDWW · #37 03-05-2007, 06:40 PM

Obey or pay!

Hearken or Hell!

Do or Die!

stmatthew · #38 03-05-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OneAccord

We are saved by grace. Nothing we do "earns" salvation. Obedience to God's Word is our reponse to His grace.

Its like this... I recieved a Lowes gift certificate in the mail a few months ago. I went to Lowes one Friday and bought a new 14.4 volt drill. I gave them the gift certificate and, because the drill was on sale, I got it for FREE. Didn't cost me a dime. Lowes gift certificate was "grace". I put the drill in the back of my truck and drove home where I promptly forgot about the drill. It stayed in the back of the truck until Monday and, of course it rained all weekend. The drill was ruined. Soaked through. it rusted and I never got to use it. If I would have just "obeyed" common sense and put the drill in the shop, I'd still be using it. But, I didn't obey. I didn't do the "work" of taking care of my free gift.

Jesus paid the price for our salvation. In His mercy and grace, He provided the means for us to be redeemed. All we need to do...is obey what His Word requires of us to maintain our salvation. No we, don't work to get saved... we work (and obey) because we are saved.

The problem I see with your analogy is that if you had not went and got your gift, all you would have had was a useless card. It took action on your part to obey the rules of the card and go and redeem it.

Our salvation henges on our faith, but if our faith does not produce action, and should I add, the proper action in obedience to the bible, all we got is dead faith, and it does not do us any good.

Many want a loophole, but I say with James "Show me your faith, and I will show you my faith by my obedient works". If your faith does not produce the proper works then you may have your faith in the wrong thing, and the wrong thing will not save you.

Praxeas · #39 03-05-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Why do you keep moderating? Are you seeking to feel important???

No, I get a thrill out of banning annoying pests....someone remind me again why I voted "stay"?

Ron · #40 03-05-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

The problem I see with your analogy is that if you had not went and got your gift, all you would have had was a useless card. It took action on your part to obey the rules of the card and go and redeem it.

Our salvation henges on our faith, but if our faith does not produce action, and should I add, the proper action in obedience to the bible, all we got is dead faith, and it does not do us any good.

Many want a loophole, but I say with James "Show me your faith, and I will show you my faith by my obedient works". If your faith does not produce the proper works then you may have your faith in the wrong thing, and the wrong thing will not save you.

Amen!