The UPCI Needs a Healer

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Many people see those that are mad at the UPCI for allowing TV ads, as control freaks bent on tell God how to be saved.

I for one am not mad, but hurt, disappointed, and grieved, but not mad.

I haven't talked to anyone who is mad. The one I have talk to are just like me, hurt disappointed and grieved. Big difference.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I for one am not mad, but hurt, disappointed, and grieved, but not mad.

I haven't talked to anyone who is mad. The one I have talk to are just like me, hurt disappointed and grieved. Big difference.

Does one leave a marriage because they are disappointed, grieved or hurt? Or is it because these feelings lead to anger which makes them be assertive and leave the situation?

If you were not angry, you would not leave or encourage your buddies to leave. If you were not angry, you would pray that God's will be done. You would find some way reconcile.

I don't see that coming from you at all! I see you gloating about a "Titanic" going down!

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Does one leave a marriage because they are disappointed, grieved or hurt? Or is it because these feelings lead to anger which makes them be assertive and leave the situation?

If you were not angry, you would not leave or encourage your buddies to leave. If you were not angry, you would pray that God's will be done. You would find some way reconcile.

I don't see that coming from you at all! I see you gloating about a "Titanic" going down!

Again you are wrong. Would you stay in a marriage where your wife was unfaithful?

Top say I at gloating is a pine blank lie. You don't know me, only what you read here. You have not seen the tears I have shed. You have not known how I have grieved over this. I have not encouraged one person to leave.

It wasn't God who took the UPC in the direction of TV it was carnal men.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Again you are wrong. Would you stay in a marriage where your wife was unfaithful?

Top say I at gloating is a pine blank lie. You don't know me, only what you read here. You have not seen the tears I have shed. You have not known how I have grieved over this. I have not encouraged one person to leave.

It wasn't God who took the UPC in the direction of TV it was carnal men.

again, you are grieved. I acknowlege that.

but it is for what you have lost and not over the UPCI.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Ferd

again, you are grieved. I acknowlege that.

but it is for what you have lost and not over the UPCI.

And just what have I lost?

I can't see where my life will be any different outside the UPC that it is in.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

And just what have I lost?

I can't see where my life will be any different outside the UPC that it is in.

then you arent grieved at all.

IMHO what you have lost is the IDEAL of what you think the UPCI ought to be. that hope is gone.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Ferd

then you arent grieved at all.

IMHO what you have lost is the IDEAL of what you think the UPCI ought to be. that hope is gone.

Yes I am grieved to see something that I have supported and been apart of for over 32 years going down.

Would you be grieved to see your child going down the wrong path?

Life must go on but that doesn't stop on from grieving at their lose.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

And just what have I lost?

I can't see where my life will be any different outside the UPC that it is in.

Then if you can't see what you've lost, why grieve?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Ferd

again, you are grieved. I acknowlege that.

but it is for what you have lost and not over the UPCI.

Good Posts Ferd.

One of the rallying cries of the UPC is "UPON THIS ROCK will I build my CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT!!!"

The problem is when these ministers have full and complete conviction that the scripture really means, "Upon this rock will I build my ORGANIZATION and the gates of hell shall not prevail against IT (the organization)."

You know it and I know it and others know it as well...

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Ferd

again, you are grieved. I acknowlege that.

but it is for what you have lost and not over the UPCI.

He's grieved because he didn't get his poor little way. I wanna vomit.