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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
And this is the problem with your doctrine. The head of your wife is the man, or A man, being you?
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I guess you didn't take the time to read my posts, because if you did you would of never come up with such a statement. Also anyone who knows me knows real well that I don't teach or preach what you have posted above.
Eph 5:22
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your OWN husbands, as unto the Lord."
This is simple and the wife is to submit to her own husband. If a woman is asked who her pastor is, she should respond by saying her husband's last name.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
Do you believe all men are over your wife?
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I guess you didn't read my posts. You see first you excuse me of believing a certain way, and then you ask me a question concerning my belief?
How about taking the care to read my post thoroughly in the first place? Maybe by doing that you would remove all doubt? How about going back and re-reading my post and see what my actual thoughts were? Think like that might have been in order before you laid into me, Sister?
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
If so, I'm glad I'm not your wife.
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Come on Sister, how am I supposed to respond to that? What's that all about? Hey listen my wife is glad your not my wife.
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If not, then how do you think that a woman preacher has authority over every man just because she's preaching?
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In the ancient societies men taught men and in a patriarchal society the men were definitely taught by men. The authority is not what you may think the authority is (I'm only saying that because the way you are posing your question) the authority is one of student to teacher relationship. The Elder and the Novice. We are shown in
Eph 4:11-13 that the elders, apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers are for the maturing of the saints so they can do the work of the ministering within the Body as to help build it. The authority is only on a level of student to teacher. This was to continue until the students came to the knowledge of the Son of God, and unto a perfect (mature) man. That they would be no more immature and tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine.
The elder Sister was to TEACH young girls to be good wives and that those young girls would be taught to love their husbands. In patriarchal societies the elder women taught young women, NEVER taught men.
The Elders are told that they are not lords over God's heritage, so we know that the elder relationship is one of teacher to student. When students become teachers themselves then they join the ranks of the elders within the society.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
I hear people preach all the time, both men and women, but they do not have authority over me, only God, and it's His word and His authority they are operating under.
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Again this is not talking about lording authority, but teaching authority as you even show in the above quote. They preach and you consider, and they are to be a first partaker of the fruit and therefore they are setting an example to the flock of male leadership to the men, and those men are going to take what they have heard and teach and lead their families. Female leadership leading married men is such a foreign concept to the patriarchal society of the Bible. To think that in the first century that suddenly changed we have no precedent set by any of the apostles. Women were to be taught by their husbands.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
But you split up scripture, believing that it's ok for women to share the Word with men as long as she isn't in the pulpit doing it, but as I said, you have NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for that claim you and others have made.
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Your being unreasonible I have showed you chapter and verse to defend my position. All you have offered is philospohy based on your personal situations.
That does not alter the truth of the scriptures. Just because their is a temple in Salt Lake City doesn't mean that God condones temples.
Or if William Marrion Branham prays for someone and they are healed doesn't give creedence to his lifestyle or his teachings. We have to stand on the scripture. We have not one female apostle recorded in the Bible, Jesus chose 12 foundational apostles and not one a woman. Why? Beacuse the fist century Jewery would have never excepted to be seated at the feet of a woman.
The postion of the student was at the feet of the teacher.
Act 22:3
"I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city AT THE FEET of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day."
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
In addition, when it came to Deborah, you made excuses as to her calling and duties instead of just admitting that God used a woman to do what you consider a man's work!
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This discussion with you has quickly deteriorated, and why? Because instead of going and strengthening your argument you chose to misrepresent what I originally wrote in my post. Did you read them? I highly doubt that, why? Because I said none of what you claim. I showed and proved that it was a disgrace for a victory to be won by a woman, and that by Barak wanting to take Deborah with him, he forfeited his honor of overcoming the enemy, and that the victory would be put in the hands of a woman. That was thought of as an embarrassment. Also that Deborah was a judge because of Israel depth of how far it had fallen. I also asked you why was Deborah not even mentioned in
Hebrews 11? Barak makes it, but Deborah does not?
Woman leadership of men is not found anywhere in the scripture. You build your case based totally on silence. Can you tell me why Jesus didn't choose a woman to be one of the 12 foundational apostles? Is there any reason why those who taught Israel (Levitical priests) never had a woman Levite?
These are simple facts in which you must ignore to hold onto your false teachings of women holding the male role of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers over married men and adult single men.
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
There are none so blind and those who will not see.
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You live up to that quote quite well I might add.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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