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Old 10-30-2007, 07:44 PM
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What if it is a pastor and his wife has a TV?
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:52 PM
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Is that one of the biblical excuses for divorce?

This is how Deuteronomy 24:1-4 reads in the Dead Sea scrolls:

1 If a man takes a wife and marries her, but she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found something objectionable about her, then he shall writer her a bill of divorce and put it in her hand and send her from his house. 2 She may then go and be another man’s wife, 3 And if the latter husband who took her to be his wife dislikes her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her from his house, or if the latter husband who took her to be his wife dies, 4 her former husband who had sent her away, cannot take her again to be his wife after she has been defiled. For that is an abomination before the Lord; you shall not bring sin upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

The Septuagint, some times called the LXX, is the ancient Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures translated by a number of different Jewish scholars over the course of the third, second, and first centuries BC. The LXX was the Scriptures that the Apostles used in their writings which became our New Testament. Here is how Deut 24:1-4 reads in the LXX (Apostolic Bible Polyglot First Edition copyright 1996)
1 And if any take a woman and should live with her, and it shall be if she should not find favor before him, for he finds in her an indecent thing, then he shall write to her a certificate of divorce scroll, and he shall put it into her hands and he shall send her from out of his house. 2 And going forth, should she become another man’s wife, 3 and the last husband should detest her, and should write to her a certificate of divorce scroll, and he should put it into her hands, and send her from out of his house or her last husband should die who took her to himself as wife; 4 the former husband sending her out shall not be able to return to take her to himself for a wife after her being defiled; for it is an abomination before the Lord your God, and you shall not defile the land which the Lord your God gives to you by lot.
The Complete Apostle’s Bible, copyright 2003 uses the term “unbecoming thing” instead of “indecent thing” like the version above.

As Hebrew became more unfamiliar with people, it became the custom for a person to give a paraphrase in Aramaic for the Scripture that had been read aloud in Hebrew. This paraphrase was called a Targum. Something like this took place in Nehemiah 8:1-8. At first a targum could not be written down but memorized. Later they were written out. Here is how a targum of Deuteronomy 24:1-4 reads. Note that the verses are not numbered:
When a man hath taken a wife and gone unto her, if she hath not favour in his eyes because he findeth the thing that is wrong in her, then he may write her a bill of divorce before the court of justice, and put it into her power, and send her away from his house. And departing from his house she may go and marry another man. But should they proclaim from the heavens about her that the latter husband shall dislike her, and write her a bill of divorce, and put it into her power to go from his house; or should they proclaim about him that lie the latter husband shall die: it shall not be in the power of the first husband who dismissed her at the beginning to return and take her to be with him as his wife, after that she hath been defiled; for that is an abomination before the Lord: for the children whom she might bear should not be made abominable, or the land which the Lord your God giveth you to inherit become obnoxious to the plague.

The above three readings can give us an idea of how the Jewish people understood what is called Deuteronomy 24:1-4 in our Bibles around the time of the establishment of the New Testament Church. In each case divorce was permitted if the husband found something “objectionable about her” (Dead Seas Scroll), or “an indecent thing” (LXX), or “an unbecoming thing” (LXX) or “a thing that is wrong” (Targum). This would not be divorce because of adultery because the penalty for that was death. This “unbecoming thing” had become pretty loose interpreted around the first century BC and AD and divorce was allowed if the man found someone he liked better or if the wife’s voice could be heard by the neighbors or basically if the husband felt like something was the matter with her.
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Old 10-30-2007, 07:56 PM
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No, but if the pastor asked her bluntly she had a moral obligation to either tell the pastor to mind his own business or to tell the truth and not lie about it
If the pastor asked and didn't ask the man of the house, shame on him for not practicing what he preaches. A real man asks the husband, not the wife.
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Old 10-30-2007, 08:13 PM
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This is obviously more of a marital issue than a pastoral issue. And, quite frankly, the reason some women put pastors before their husbands is because of an unhealthy perspective on their part, not necessarily a deliberate undermining by the pastor.

The fact that they were in ministry is relevent here, because, IMO, the pastor has the right to know if someone on the staff is breaking the rules. It would have been better, though, for the husband to address the pastor about the matter himself. The wife shouldn't have taken it upon herself. Unless, she was doing so because she wanted to be honest, perhaps because of her own ministerial or leadership position? If that were the case, she should have taken the blame squarely and not "turned her husband in."

I can't think of any scenarios in which I would do such a thing to my husband. It would have to be criminal. Otherwise I would just nag him into doing it himself. I would be upset with him, though, if he agreed with the pastor to do one thing, and then did another. Not because I place the pastor above him, but rather because I don't admire dishonesty, and it isn't a trait I want my husband to exhibit.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:01 PM
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What if it is a pastor and his wife has a TV?
I once had a pastor who disclosed that he had a TV, but he only watched the evening news on it, and his then 12 yr old son played video games on it.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:06 PM
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Fringe Nutter,

Obviously you are confusing a monitor with antenna / cable / satellite for a television.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:08 PM
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Left the church. His wife went with him.

I don't know where they have decided to attend.
Maybe she wanted out of that church. Either way, it seems like this would have a negative impact on the marriage.
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Old 10-30-2007, 09:10 PM
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Adolf Hitler would be proud. This was the concept he had with the "Hitler Youth Movement".

Also when the Soviet Union was Communist they solicited children and other family members to report on any unapproved activities of their relatives.

I read several good suggestions on here of how the situation could have been handled;

1. First if the wife was asked the question by the pastor she should have referred him to talk directly with her husband.

2. If the wife just volunteered the info then I think she was flat out wrong unless the husband had lied to the pastor about the situation. She should have worked this out with her husband.
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Old 10-31-2007, 09:16 AM
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Is the spouse saved?
Does the minister sign the AS?

Then the minister should ask the local Pastor they sit under.
Ask the local pastor what exactly?

"Since my husband has a TV, do you think I should turn in my license?"

Is this what you think should be asked?

If so... I DON'T EVEN THINK SO!

There are alot of pastors and licensed preachers with spouses (and children too for that matter) that don't "abide by the rules". To my knowledge, licenses don't get pulled over what a spouse does or doesn't do. Nor should it be IMO.

To my knowledge, licenses don't get pulled over unruly children either yet the scripture does clearly say...

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1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
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