Yes - I do have a message on the Revelation of Jesus Christ! I am it! It is something I live and not something that I condemn people by!
All of my messages on line are MINISTRY BASED and are not meant to establish people doctrinally. I do that with my leadership. We don't shove meat down the mouth of babes here.
I can understand not shoving meat down the mouths of babes, but basic Oneness teaching is not meat. Saying Jesus is God manifest in the flesh is not meat, or saying God, who is a omnipresent Spirit, took on flesh and blood to take away the sin world is not meat, or Jesus Christ is God with us, or that there is only one God.
But you said you believed in another teaching of Oneness other than Bernard's and I was curious as to what it is. You gave me the link to your website and I was hoping I could find it on there, but it isn't. I'm not trying to give you a hard time for leaving the UPC, being on TBN, or whatever you do. I'm interested in your version of Oneness.
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Pianoman, we arent talking about community events. we are talking about the fact that the PAW fell 3 votes shy of allowing Trinitarians to speak at their conferences. (which in fact, they DID last year).
We are talking about an organization founded on solid Apostolic Doctrine that has eroded to the point where fully half their ministers dont see a dimes worth of difference between the local COGIC guy and themselves.
THAT is what we are talking about.
I agree with you!
Having a well-known trinitarian speak at a Oneness general conference is definitely sending a mixed message to their members!
On one hand you are accepting him as an friendly ambassador, but on the other hand it can look like you're willing to compromise your message!
My reasoning is fairly simple. Let me clarify for you... when you see things like the PAW's recent vote that almost kicked the doors open to say, "False doctrine doesn't matter" you start seeing why other Apostolics (not just UPC either) are quick to get nervous about people who want to erase the lines of Apostolic distinctives - whether they be Resolution 4 or anything else.
There is a faction of the Apostolic movement that are concerned about the 'direction' our movement will go if we keep saying, "Well, this doesn't matter anymore and that doesn't matter anymore".
Are you sure you are not holding to some traditions? Isn't there some things that have been taught as salvational that are not? Do you still feel it is imperative to hang on to these traditions no matter what?
When you see a well established group like the PAW that can even remotely consider false doctrine as a viable option... well... many Apostolics can't help but wonder "Is this where we'll eventually end up?"
Are we over reacting to Resolution 4? This is an avenue to get the oneness message out. No where does this alude to Trinity.
Although I see where you have concerns and those are valid, but I don't think voting for advertising is opening the door for trinity. JMO
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Steadfast, how long will folks who are pushing trinitarianism be allowed to post on AFF?
Show me these post?
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I can understand not shoving meat down the mouths of babes, but basic Oneness teaching is not meat. Saying Jesus is God manifest in the flesh is not meat, or saying God, who is a omnipresent Spirit, took on flesh and blood to take away the sin world is not meat, or Jesus Christ is God with us, or that there is only one God.
I beg to differ. I have been in three churches now where the Trinitarian-Oneness debates were shown, and lock, stock and barrel, there were folks pretty upset afterward because of the confusion brought about, the fact there was no one to answer their questions at the end in the town hall.
Interestingly enough then-UPC Robert Sabin himself was present during one of these times. It was a pretty heated situation.
I am always confused, Jesus said that the Holy Ghost revealed "Who do you say that I am" but then on the other hand we think everyone should accept it at face value with no depth.
The equation Steadfast is proposing is that Loosening of standards=Acceptance of trinitarianism. He has not shown this to be accurate in any way other than "It has happened before!!" Well, so have trinitarians held to standards.....etc. etc. etc.
ILG, I'm not sure why there are some who believe that once standards go, the doctrine goes (and I'm not sure that's what Steadfast is saying here, but I'm just chiming in on this thought).
This is how I see the problem......people who let go of doctrine after letting go of standards are people who never had the doctrine in the first place. These are people who lived for God through standards, not doctrine, therefore, when standards went, so did the doctrine.
I'm a person who is in constant struggle because I was raised believing that standards were the doctrine. As an adult, I feel that nothing I do is good enough for God because I don't live the standards that I was taught all my life.
I was never taught to have a relationship with Jesus, but I was taught that looking the part meant one was a shoo-in to heaven. It's hard to abandon those teachings, even when one no longer believes it.
I have friends who have dropped standards but continue in the church. Even though I don't follow standards either, I cannot help but look at those people and feel something heavy in my heart as if they are backslidden and hellbound.
I wish that feeling would go away. I believe if I were able to stop focusing on the outside of people, my own life with Jesus would greatly improve. But here I am, at 38 yrs of age, judging people by what they look like on the outside as I was taught to do all my childhood years.
And when I look in the mirror, I'm even more disappointed in what I see.
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