The Truth About The PCI!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan the majority of these guys have NO roots to any PCI heritage. In fact I doubt if any do. There has been NO PCI since 1945 it is 2007 that is 62 years. How old do you think the average will be at that meeting?

Oh ... 40 to 50. Which means for this group their ANCIENT LANDMARKS date only 2 generations ago.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Fudge, if I remember correctly, stated that something like 80 to 90% of the UPCI AOF came from the PCI constitution .....

Including the clause in the Fundamental Doctrine pertaining to the "unity of the faith" .... also from Ephesians

From PCI constitution:

"We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace with all Spirit-filled Children of God, until we all come to the unity of faith, once preached by Jesus Christ and the Apostles."

This is a testament of the willingness of the PCI to fellowship and keep peace w/ all Spirit-filled churches ... Trinnies included. This also evidenced in ... "we shall extend Christian and brother fellowship to of God's people everywhere".

It is also further proof that their intent during the merger was to keep the unity of Spirit first ..... never intending to somehow acquiesce their doctrinal views.

My, have we come a long way or not?????????

I also can't believe they used the forbidden word "trinity" to explain God!!!!!!!!!

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan the majority of these guys have NO roots to any PCI heritage. In fact I doubt if any do. There has been NO PCI since 1945 it is 2007 that is 62 years. How old do you think the average will be at that meeting?

Come now, Elder Epley.

I think you REALLY know what DA is saying here.

The vast majority of those guys use as their mantra the "old paths" which are about 50-60 years old as if that was some sort of grand millennial age of truth.

Hall tried to propogandize that the only difference in the two organizations was methods of evangelism.

Well, whether the fellas livin' on Tulsa Time like it or not, THIS was a big part of the "heritage" they yammer about so much.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

Come now, Elder Epley.

I think you REALLY know what DA is saying here.

The vast majority of those guys use as their mantra the "old paths" which are about 50-60 years old as if that was some sort of grand millennial age of truth.

Hall tried to propogandize that the only difference in the two organizations was methods of evangelism.

Well, whether the fellas livin' on Tulsa Time like it or not, THIS was a big part of the "heritage" they yammer about so much.

I understand what is being said the majority of men living know nothing about this. I am not diminishing the PCI nor it's contributions toward the UPC structure or history I am only saying the majority of those guys meeting at Tulsa the PCI history would mean nothing. The majority of these men would have been raised in water & Spirit churches with strong emphasis on standard issues. ONLY in certain locales was there much PCI influence that endured. So to most they are not willingly forgetting they don't even have a clue.

[deltaguitar]

This means so much to me. I have grown up in the UPC trying to jump through hoops to get our salvation doctrine to line up with the Bible. It is such a peace to finally be able to know the TRUTH!

Now, I feel like I can witness to folks and lead them to fullness of truth without telling them they are going to hell.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Oh ... 40 to 50. Which means for this group their ANCIENT LANDMARKS date only 2 generations ago.

Dan it was thee NOT I that brought the Tulsa meeting into this discussion.

[Carpenter]

Thank you Brother Epley for commenting, this would cause the contemporary UPC apologist to run for the hills hoping this thread would be sequestered to page 34 ASAP.

While the PCI is dead, I would bet beyond all measure if this exact wording would confuse the daylights out of the garden variety UPC saint.

Of course the term Trinity, Triune, and Trinitarian didn't have the same stigma it has today.

I am curious though how the AOGs of that day would/could disagree with the PCI interpretation of the Godhead.

[Thad]

I thought it was wrong to use trinitarian terms.

I had No Idea the founders of UPC included such terms as "triune" and "trinity" in their godhead description!!!!!!!

Is this one of the reasons why many believe that PCI were sympathetic towards trinitarians ?

[OneAccord]

Does anyone know the exact year this was published? (or at least an approximate date). And. could it be possible to post the entire booket? Interesting reading!

[Pastor Keith]

I will in the next few days try and post the pre-merger PAJC manual, most will be surprised to see the tone and spirit that was displayed in their articles of Faith. If I can get Jeanie to break out the scanner and start doing it maybe today.

Keith