The LIE

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by revrandy

AB...

Your "pointed" question is certainly not without innocence..that is no LIE...

I could understand your premise but in principle it doesn't really require an answer...

the fact is Trinity is certainly a false Doctrine and should be regarded as such... if we were to apply that same fellowship issues (that you certainly are discussing in this) across the board then all Trinitarians should be acceptable... Jehovah Witness....Mormons...and so forth....

Why draw the line with just a few?

Hey Rev - We all know that the doctrine of the Trinity is a LIE! WE ALL KNOW THAT! That is not the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are Apostolic on this forum and we know Trinitarian doctrine more than they do themselves. We can all tear them up with it and twist their minds with it - we all know what an absolute falsehood the Doctrine of the Trinity is.
No one is asking anyone to accept their doctrine - certainly not me - I was a trinitarian and didn't even know it!!!!!!!!!!! I came out of that - I never believed it in the COG, COGIC, A/G and all the others I preached for. Every person I baptized even in large A/G churches - sometimes 120 a day - I baptized them in the Name of Jesus!
I am not saying get in bed with them. I am not advocating any of you fellowshipping and combining services with them or having them preach for you. NON OF THAT.

I just know that somewhere, at some point, after these TRINITARIAN preachers - got baptized in Jesus Name - after 1914 and came out of the A/G - sometime after the merger and the UPCI came into existence - SOMEWHERE - SOMEBODY began to preach that - TRINITARIANS BELIEVE IN THREE GOD'S. Now we all know that somebody did that!
WHO DID IT? Did it come out of a Bible School? Did it come from a GS?
Where and who and when did this lie begin?
It is a simple question and somebody can find the answer to it.
Who told the lie to begin with? Where did it start?

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Your statement is confusing since your question holds it's own answer?

So God is holding onto a "human shell" in a place where it is not required? I assume he "robed Himself in flesh" so that He would be able to appear to us in a form we could understand... in Heaven, why does he need this form still? Can't he just hang the Jesus suit in a closet until he comes back again? (depending on eschatology, of course).

*This is actually a serious question, even though I presented it in a humorous way*

[Nahum]

Why are we allowing the trinity to be promoted on AFF?

Whassup?

[Hoovie]

Can we agree with Trinitarians on the following?

1. The Father is not the Son niether the Son the Father

2. In scripture we see the Father and the Son communicate

3. There is distinction between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

4. There are things that can be said about each that cannot be
propery said about the other two

5. The Father is God Almighty

6. The Son is God Almighty

7. The Holy Spirit is God Almighty

8. Salvation is only found through the blood of the Only Begotten Son of
the Father

9. The Holy Spirit is God working in the hearts of the believer

10. The miraculous incarnation of Christ is the mystry of Godliness


IMHO - Many times we are soooo wrapped up in how we disagree with others we fail to see the richness and wealth in our agreement.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

So God is holding onto a "human shell" in a place where it is not required? I assume he "robed Himself in flesh" so that He would be able to appear to us in a form we could understand... in Heaven, why does he need this form still? Can't he just hang the Jesus suit in a closet until he comes back again? (depending on eschatology, of course).

*This is actually a serious question, even though I presented it in a humorous way*

He had already asended did he not?

When Thomas touched his nail prints?

He told Mary at the tomb, do not touch me for I have not yet asended?

Seeing that Jesus after death could not be defiled.

However when he appeard to the disciples he asked Thomas to touch his prints?

He had already been to the mercy seat in heaven.

At what point in his travel did he shed his human form?

I believe his body was transfigured to that of a Glorified state.

But still holding his human form...

His body broken for our sins is the answer to our redemption question.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is to some old timers and students of Oneness History.

I am not trying to get into a theological debate with these questions.
I can argue both theological positions very well - so I am not asking for scriptures to PROVE your position.
I KNOW your position and don't need any condescending remarks.
I know what the Creeds say and I know the definition of the Trinity from Trinitarian scholars.
If you can't answer the questions - That is OK!
If you can - please let's do this in a civil and a Christian manner.
I am an Apostolic. I was baptized in Jesus name as has been my wife and children. I have always baptized every person I have baptized - in the name of Jesus. I have never been a Trinitarian and have never preached or believed the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons in the Godhead even though I was raised and educated in what you call - A "Trinitarian" Church.


This is the premise of the questions:
I was born and raised as a Fourth generational Pentecostal student of biblical and religious history. I have studied history and religion all of my life. I was raised in a Pentecostal home & church. My Great Grandmother, Grandmother and Mother all had the Holy Ghost and I was filled at the age of 5. I was baptized the first time, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". The F/S/HG was praised and mentioned, but I can never remember anything remotely resembling a remark as - "We believe in Three God's". They did not even preach the Trinity - just baptized in the titles. I know theologically - they believed it - but they did not understand it nor preach it.
I have NEVER heard in my church, home, College or anywhere else from any "Trinitarian" that they believe in "Three God's".

I have heard over and over again from "Apostolics" - that "Trinitarians believe in Three God's". I believe this to be a lie.
This lie had to start somewhere with somebody. I want to know where and when and with who did it start. Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When did the lie start that Trinitarians believe in Three God's?
Who told this lie to start with?
Where was this lie first preached?
What year was the lie first told or preached?
Did the lie begin in the UPC or Independent Oneness ranks?
Where did you hear this lie for the first time?

Hardy Har Har,

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why are we allowing the trinity to be promoted on AFF?

Whassup?

WHoa! where is this post?? I am reading some strong anti- Trinitarian propaganda - especially from AB!

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why are we allowing the trinity to be promoted on AFF?

Whassup?

OH BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who on this forum is promoting the trinity???

Are we afraid of the question?

[Nahum]

Tritheism is a belief in three gods.

It is not a lie to say that trinitarianism - at it's root - is tritheism.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Can we agree with Trinitarians on the following?

1. The Father is not the Son niether the Son the Father

2. In scripture we see the Father and the Son communicate

3. There is distinction between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit

4. There are things that can be said about each that cannot be
propery said about the other two

5. The Father is God Almighty

6. The Son is God Almighty

7. The Holy Spirit is God Almighty

8. Salvation is only found through the blood of the Only Begotten Son of
the Father

9. The Holy Spirit is God working in the hearts of the believer

10. The miraculous incarnation of Christ is the mystry of Godliness


IMHO - Many times we are soooo wrapped up in how we disagree with others we fail to see the richness and wealth in our agreement.

There are things about your total person that can't be said about each other.

Such as your body and soul being at war?

The body and the soul are aspects of who we are.

The mind, body and soul make up our complete being.

However if personfied we could call ourselves a blessed Trintiy.

But at the end of the day you are you and you alone...