Tithes........

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Drama Queen

Let me start off my saying that I am 100% for paying tithes... (don't really care what the Pastor does with them after I've done my part.) I believe that the tithes should be the first thing paid! You pay tithes before your bills. <-JMHO

OK.... I was always taught that you tithe on your INCREASE. So you tithe on the money you bring home. But what about when you sale your home? Do you tithe on that money?

If you are rolling all the money you are getting from the sale of your home into a new home, are you to tithe on that money before you use it as a down payment? I was raised that you would not tithe on it because you are putting that money into another home. If you were putting that money into your pocket.... then you should tithe on it.


So...... I'm asking you spiritual folks what you would do. I'd really like to know.

It's sad to see how much money todays american churches have because of tithes.
Can not watch or listen to Christian T.V. or Radio with out hearing some one say please give, So a seed, give a love offering etc.
And why should pastors get a meal ticket?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by COOPER

It's sad to see how much money todays american churches have because of tithes.
Can not watch or listen to Christian T.V. or Radio with out hearing some one say please give, So a seed, give a love offering etc.
And why should pastors get a meal ticket?

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?

Why do they not matter?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?

Why do they not matter?

What is the average charge now a days for popular Preachers?

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by COOPER

What is the average charge now a days for popular Preachers?

Oh man... don't ask me... I wouldn't begin to know.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Well... to me the thing is this.

Like you quoted it is seen so often "I don't care what happens to the money once I do my part"

The tithe was to be divided in a specific manner. Why does nobody care if God's word is obeyed?

Why does nobody care if everyone else who God stipulated to be ministered to by the tithe is left out?
Why do they not matter?

explain please...

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

explain please...

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...

Num 18:25 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe.

When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.

Num 18:27 And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress.

This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.

Num 18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.

Num 18:29 Out of all your gifts ye shall offer every heave offering of the LORD, of all the best thereof, [even] the hallowed part thereof out of it.

Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%

Num 18:30 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, When ye have heaved the best thereof from it, then it shall be counted unto the Levites as the increase of the threshingfloor, and as the increase of the winepress.

The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.

Num 18:31 And ye shall eat it in every place, ye and your households: for it [is] your reward for your service in the tabernacle of the congregation.

It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased

Num 18:32 And ye shall bear no sin by reason of it, when ye have heaved from it the best of it: neither shall ye pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, lest ye die.
The 10% of the tithe for the Levites, and the 10% of the tithe for the priests was allowed to them to keep and no sin would be counted to them for keeping this amount

So... according to the word of God... 10% went to the priests. 10% went to the Levites as a whole (this would include porters, singers, musicians etc) and the other 80% was left over to minister to the poor, elderly, fatherless, widows, strangers etc.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Here is waht I see on the division of the tithe.

The tithe was indeed given to the Levites (not the priests) but it was given to them to distribute... not to keep. They were to distribute 10% of the tithe that came in for themselves. They were to then distribute another 10% of the tithe that came in to the priests.

This was their portion (in other words... they weren't given any land. The other tribes were.... the other tribes paid in 10% of their increase on the land.) 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the Levites. 10% of that tithe from the increase was for the priests.

here is the scripture on this...




When they received the tithe from the people they were to take a heave offering (10% of the tithe) and offer it up for the Lord.




This heave offering (the 10% of the tithe that had been brought in) was to be considered as their very own and reckoned unto the Levites.




They were to then take another heave offering (another 10% of the tithe) and give it to the priests and the priests were to keep that for themselves just as the Levites had kept the heave offering for themselves.




Not only were they to keep 10% of the tithe... but they were to make sure that what they kept was the best 10%




The 10% that they had kept out for themselves was to be counted as their own.



It was theirs to have and to do with anyway they pleased



So... according to the word of God... 10% went to the priests. 10% went to the Levites as a whole (this would include porters, singers, musicians etc) and the other 80% was left over to minister to the poor, elderly, fatherless, widows, strangers etc.

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by LadyChocolate

Yeah!!! I understood it that the tithes went into the storehouse.....and I was thinking about the widows when I asked you to explain. I pay tithes because that is what I am required, by the Word of God. But then I have wondered why the widows do without. (that really gets to me) I think the bible clearly states that the church is to take care of the widows. Now, I understand that in this day and age there is "social security" lol and things like that. But I've also seen ladies, who their husbands have gone on, they live on very little and the church just sort of turns its head....I am wondering where the scripture is to come into effect.

Well, IMO, much of the governmental welfare system is around because of the failure of the church to minister in these areas.

And, again IMO, that facilitates a godless society because they have a godless source where they can go and receive help while the source eminating from the Word of God has shut up its bowels of compassion.

Then you have a society which has seen a church which does not do as God commanded and then they turn and find a government who will help.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

Do you think we have any responsibility to God to see that his tithe is handled as he instructed? Or do we simply feel "Well... I handed the cash off.. I have passed the buck... it ain't my problem"?

I think these are serious things to consider.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

I understand what the scripture says but in this day and time, we have way more resources (money, etc) than they did in bible days. I think the deceased husband should have made plans for his widow to be taken care. I just don't see it as the churches responsibility.

Well, whether they should have made plans or not, some didn't...And that is what the church is here for! I am not saying the church needs to just start paying for all the widows bills and so forth, but if there is a need, the church is obligated to help...... I don't like questioning the ministry but their is some accountability here.