Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[bishoph]

Originally Posted by Lost and Found

There you go ladies; if you believe BISHOPH’s post, then as long as you are under your pastor (not sure where he got that in his Bible), you can prophesy. Did you see that? He only shows that he believes you can be a prophetess. So why all the songs of praise for his post? I thought this was about a woman preaching? Well BISHOPH just narrowed it down a lot. And since he says a woman can only be a prophetess, then the pastor you are under (as well as all other pastors according to his post’s conclusion), must be a man.

BISHOPH, this has nothing to do with male ego. It is all about God's Word. You need to read the posts and scriptures that have been presented.

How is your statement against what Paul wrote any different than what the Jesus Seminar does? They also pick and choose what they feel is divinely inspired. Such a course leads to a dangerous end. I am shocked at those who’ve praised your hermeneutic. I thought Apostolics looked first into the Word, because they thought it was all God given. Looks like this may not always be the case.

Again the issue still stands. There is not one scripture that is found in the Bible that gives a woman the biblical allowance to stand as a leader of the Church and preach…NOT ONE.

First, L&F, it is very clear that either you did not read my post, or you purposely chose to twist what I wrote in an attempt to hide the truth.

If you will study the root of prophetess it comes from the same word used for prophet. It is nothing more or less than the female rendering of the word. Therefore if you use simple deductive reasoning (which sometimes I think some of you don't have the ability to do) it is very clear that if a woman is called, anointed, and appointed as a prophetess she would be able to prophesy. Thus, unless you would like to state that preaching is not prophesying under the scriptural definition, or that prophesying is not preaching a majority of times, you my friend are the one in error on this subject.

I did not state that a woman could only "prophesy" under her pastor as you are defining "prophesy." I actually am referring to the erroneous concept presented by yourself and others here that for a women to "preach or teach" to adult/married men was in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence The word usurp is what is generally used here as the framing word for this argument.
Strong's Number: 831au)qenteÑwOriginal WordWord Origin au)qenteÑw from a compound of (846) and an obsolete hentes (a worker)Transliterated WordPhonetic SpellingAuthenteoow-then-teh'-o Parts of SpeechTDNTVerbNoneDefinition

1.one who with his own hands kills another or himself
2.one who acts on his own authority, autocratic
3.an absolute master
4.to govern, exercise dominion over one

Notice that usurp means to act on ones own authority. I was simply pointing out the facts that if a woman is submitted to her headship in the church, husband, (if married) pastor, then when she speaks she is not out of order because she has not acted on her own authority but rather under the authority of those who can offer it.

if I had said that women could only be prophetesses that would mean they could certainly preach.


Please don't try to compare me with false teachers and cults like the Jesus Seminar. This is however the type of rhetoric I expect to hear from people who cannot defend their beliefs with sound doctrine. If it doesn't agree with your viewpoint then it must be heresy.

I did not state that the Word of God is not divinely inspired, I simply pointed out that some of what the Apostle Paul said was not of God (not a direct communication from God) but rather allowed by God and the Apostle identified it as such when he said this is what "I" think. I do not think you want to get into a discussion of whether or not you accept all of the Old and New Testament as applicable today just don't go there!