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03-06-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Chan
But you do have to be all-knowing before you have sufficient knowledge to say a particular PERSON is "of the devil."
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So now you don't believe in the gift of discernment?
What about Peter, Ananias, and Sapphira?
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03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
What if I'm just really pretty sure? Would it be okay then?
Like uhm, child molesters, are they of the devil?
What about murderers? Rapists? Backbiters?
Are we really totally unable to discern spirits?
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If you're calling sins that people commit "spirits," then I'd say you are unable to discern spirits. People choose to sin. It is their nature to sin. For unsaved folks, Satan doesn't have to do anything to prod or encourage them to sin. It's with the saved folks that Satan has to prod and poke and do other things to try to get them to sin. Why is it different for saved folks than unsaved folks? Because saved folks have the Spirit of God dwelling in them conforming them to His image. This creates within us a battle ground and Satan is on the side of our flesh (sinful nature).
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03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
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But you do have to be all-knowing before you have sufficient knowledge to say a particular PERSON is "of the devil."
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I'm not sure I agree, Chan. I person identifies who they are "of" or "for" through their actions. A godly person can be said to be "of god", and a sinful person can be said to be "of the devil."
I have met people who I knew were possessed of a devil, because the Spirit in me bore witness of that fact. I have met folks who I could say for certain were evil, without knowing what particular form of evil they were involved in. We can't discount spiritual sensitivity.
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03-06-2007, 12:51 PM
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BTW, who said anything about persons here? We are talking about comments, and their origins.
Come on Chan, get with the program.
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03-06-2007, 12:56 PM
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So now you don't believe in the gift of discernment?
What about Peter, Ananias, and Sapphira?
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I do believe in the gift of discernment. I just don't believe that gift extends to being able to say a person is "of the devil" (as opposed to what a person says or believes being of the devil). As for Peter, Ananias and Sapphira, Peter never said they were of the devil, he only asked why Satan has filled their hearts so as to lead them to lie to the Holy Ghost. Satan didn't force them to lie, they chose to do it. Did Satan entice them to do it? Certainly, but the choice to lie was still theirs and they made that choice. Notice that God's response was not to go after Satan but to take the lives of Ananias and Sapphira. God obviously knew that Ananias and Sapphira were responsible for their own actions.
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03-06-2007, 12:56 PM
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I think all of hell is laughing because of the time this thread has taken from some folks' day today...JMHO
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03-06-2007, 12:57 PM
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BTW, who said anything about persons here? We are talking about comments, and their origins.
Come on Chan, get with the program.
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You did...here:
"So you think its all right to tell someone they are of the devil? That would be blunt and straightforward."
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03-06-2007, 12:57 PM
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But you do have to be all-knowing before you have sufficient knowledge to say a particular PERSON is "of the devil."
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Okay...we disagree then. That's fine.
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03-06-2007, 12:58 PM
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But he didn't propose that they formed the basis for a "ministry."
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If I study World Religions or anthropology in college does it mean I cannot use some of my experiences and eduacation as a Minister of the Gospel ... CC... I think no one would deny the counseling should be bible-based but to say that we can't learn from the secular world is to be oblivious ....
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03-06-2007, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
I'm not sure I agree, Chan. I person identifies who they are "of" or "for" through their actions. A godly person can be said to be "of god", and a sinful person can be said to be "of the devil."
I have met people who I knew were possessed of a devil, because the Spirit in me bore witness of that fact. I have met folks who I could say for certain were evil, without knowing what particular form of evil they were involved in. We can't discount spiritual sensitivity.
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There's a difference between being possessed by demons and someone being "of" the devil. The point of the matter is, though, that we must not be so quick to go around accusing people of being "of the devil," particularly people in whom the Spirit of God resides.
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