Dr. Jeffers anyone?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

Is Bustard taking up the Offering ?

Ooooo MY!

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by Diamond Jim

Is Bustard taking up the Offering ?

not his fault he picks up offerings that can only be rivaled by Mark Morgan (in the UCP, of course)

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He sharply criticized the way the UPC handled Teklemarian. I don't think he ever came out in favor of the DF doctrine, but he certainly blasted the UPC for their handling of it.

That seems to indicate that he is at least not strongly against that particular heresy.

There were other things he said also, criticizing our emphasis on Jesus Name Baptism for one. Again, he did not come out and state that he had any opposition to our teaching the essentiality of it, but when you criticize it, and turn around and speak glowingly of a man who teaches a serious heresy, it creates an impression that isn't favorable.

Surely you aren't hinting that there might be some ill intent of heresy in his beliefs?

[Coonskinner]

I didn't hint anything.

I simply stated what the man did in St. Louis.

What hismotives or reasonings were, I don't claim to know.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He sharply criticized the way the UPC handled Teklemarian. I don't think he ever came out in favor of the DF doctrine, but he certainly blasted the UPC for their handling of it.

That seems to indicate that he is at least not strongly against that particular heresy.

There were other things he said also, criticizing our emphasis on Jesus Name Baptism for one. Again, he did not come out and state that he had any opposition to our teaching the essentiality of it, but when you criticize it, and turn around and speak glowingly of a man who teaches a serious heresy, it creates an impression that isn't favorable.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I didn't hint anything.

I simply stated what the man did in St. Louis.

What hismotives or reasonings were, I don't claim to know.

It seems you gave your opinion also. Sort of a CS commentary. Nothing wrong with voicing opinions or asking questions or giving commentary, that's what the Forum life is all about. But try not to be so hard on others when they do the same.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It seems you gave your opinion also. Sort of a CS commentary. Nothing wrong with voicing opinions or asking questions or giving commentary, that's what the Forum life is all about. But try not to be so hard on others when they do the same.

Who am I being hard on?

I suspect this may have to do with the other day when you asked Old Paths why he asked if the good Dr. was Black...

If so, please accept my apologies for offending you, but bear in mind that racism is an insidious and awful thing, and accusing someone, or even seeming to accuse someone of it, is a serious charge.

Commenting on the good Dr.'s ministry and insinuating someone may be racist are two very different things.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It seems you gave your opinion also. Sort of a CS commentary. Nothing wrong with voicing opinions or asking questions or giving commentary, that's what the Forum life is all about. But try not to be so hard on others when they do the same.

RevDWW,

What does his behavior indicate to you? I concur with CS. I have listened to several messages by Dr. Jeffers and I hear a LOT more about Dr. Jeffers than I do Jesus. His ego got in the way of my hearing the many good things he had to say. I had to step over or go around Jeffers to get to the meat. That is my opinion and if that makes me a bad guy... well, pleased to meet you!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by philjones

RevDWW,

What does his behavior indicate to you? I concur with CS. I have listened to several messages by Dr. Jeffers and I hear a LOT more about Dr. Jeffers than I do Jesus. His ego got in the way of my hearing the many good things he had to say. I had to step over or go around Jeffers to get to the meat. That is my opinion and if that makes me a bad guy... well, pleased to meet you!

Now that is grinding the corn. Ain't it great to have an opinion and be able to share it.

Last nights message revealed somethings about Dr. Jeffers that sheds light on this behavior. It's the first message I'v heard him preach and I thought it was annointed and insightful. As I have had no personal contact with him I find it hard to speak for or agaist him as an individual.

By the way, a preacher putting himself in the way of his message is not unheard of in the ranks of the UPCI and many other organization.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Who am I being hard on?

I suspect this may have to do with the other day when you asked Old Paths why he asked if the good Dr. was Black...

If so, please accept my apologies for offending you, but bear in mind that racism is an insidious and awful thing, and accusing someone, or even seeming to accuse someone of it, is a serious charge.

Commenting on the good Dr.'s ministry and insinuating someone may be racist are two very different things.

No apology needed. You have not offended me in this thread or in any other that I can recall.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

He sharply criticized the way the UPC handled Teklemarian. I don't think he ever came out in favor of the DF doctrine, but he certainly blasted the UPC for their handling of it.

That seems to indicate that he is at least not strongly against that particular heresy.

There were other things he said also, criticizing our emphasis on Jesus Name Baptism for one. Again, he did not come out and state that he had any opposition to our teaching the essentiality of it, but when you criticize it, and turn around and speak glowingly of a man who teaches a serious heresy, it creates an impression that isn't favorable.

If Jeffers was against or made comments to down play Jesus name baptism we would not have had him at our church. We had him recently and we are bringing him back in April.