The Trouble With Patience

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Esther

I guess you prefer a man made minister instead of a God given talent where education really isn't an issue, if you talk to Peter he may can help you understand how an unlearned fisherman could actually have the keys to the Kingdom.

This is what is wrong with the organization now. TOO MANY RULES!!!

i think you are missing the point. young guys coming up have no excuse. the "I dont need a degree to preach" mentality is as backwards as you can get.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Esther

Not everyone can afford continuing education, no matter how nice it may be.

Then why should they be taught someone's personal opinions???

If just Bible was being taught and history of it, I agree, IF they can afford it.

Esther, nowadays ALMOST anyone can afford it. The question is, do they see the need for it? There are things that some are never taught that have nothing to do with opinion.

It really riled me when I enrolled at Gateway and my first classes were Basic Bible Doctrine, and Simple Bible Study methods. I was insulted. But looking back I'm glad they offered those classes. There were some students who flunked.

They were pastors kids.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Esther, nowadays ALMOST anyone can afford it. The question is, do they see the need for it? There are things that some are never taught that have nothing to do with opinion.

It really riled me when I enrolled at Gateway and my first classes were Basic Bible Doctrine, and Simple Bible Study methods. I was insulted. But looking back I'm glad they offered those classes. There were some students who flunked.

They were pastors kids.

I could repsond to this post but will not. Let me say though that your comments are dead on and sad, to say the least.

[Nahum]

BTW, Simon Peter was educated. He spent three and a half years learning from the greatest mind in history. Before Jesus his usefulness was limited to fishing. After Jesus ascension, his usefulness expanded greatly. This was a product of two things:

1. A constant closeness to the Master and His Word.
2. The impartation of the Holy Ghost.

Both were necessary for him to become the great preacher at Pentecost.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Esther, nowadays ALMOST anyone can afford it. The question is, do they see the need for it? There are things that some are never taught that have nothing to do with opinion.

It really riled me when I enrolled at Gateway and my first classes were Basic Bible Doctrine, and Simple Bible Study methods. I was insulted. But looking back I'm glad they offered those classes. There were some students who flunked.

They were pastors kids.

I personally love learning and would love to take Bible courses.

However, I have heard that a particular Bible College taught AGAINST the Gifts of the Spirit.

I am sorry I am not for people teaching their personal agenda's to young people.

And as to our young people not knowing the Word, I agree with you.

And teaching scriptures and history I am all for, but NOT as required.

T. W. Barnes didn't go to Bible College and I don't know anyone who could top him.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

BTW, Simon Peter was educated. He spent three and a half years learning from the greatest mind in history. Before Jesus his usefulness was limited to fishing. After Jesus ascension, his usefulness expanded greatly. This was a product of two things:

1. A constant closeness to the master and His Word.
2. The impartation of the Holy Ghost.

Both were necessary for him to become the great preacher at Pentecost.

This is the main thing and all you need. All else is a side benefit, IMO.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Ferd

i think you are missing the point. young guys coming up have no excuse. the "I dont need a degree to preach" mentality is as backwards as you can get.

Sorry I disagree with you on that.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Esther

I personally love learning and would love to take Bible courses.

However, I have heard that a particular Bible College taught AGAINST the Gifts of the Spirit.

I am sorry I am not for people teaching their personal agenda's to young people.

And as to our young people not knowing the Word, I agree with you.

And teaching scriptures and history I am all for, but NOT as required.

T. W. Barnes didn't go to Bible College and I don't know anyone who could top him.

But as far as I know T.W. Barnes never negated the need for education and did not stop folks from going to Bible College.

Esther, there will always be folks that are the exception to the rule. Those are not the ones who need the education. It is the masses that are not the exception. But in order to be fair and balanced all should receive the education.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Esther

This is the main thing and all you need. All else is a side benefit, IMO.

But Esther, in all honesty, if that is all one has how do they run the business side of the church?

WHile I understand your view I imagine there are some men out that fit your two criteria yet you would not let them be your pastor. JMHO.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I would like to see the UPCI change some things about its structure. It was formed as a minsterial fellowship. we are becoming more and more a stratified denomination.

I for one would like to see the UPCI move back to its roots to some degree. The individual church should be tops and the UPCI more a fellowship of ministers with a lot less hand wringing about what the guy across the continent is doing.

It's probably more about the guy across town.

When a guy worries about the money more than the message it's time to take a break from ministry. If you are worried the message you preach will effect your offerings, get a job outside the church and support yourself, then it won't be a factor.