I was checking Google Books and the Amazon previews just now, neither has the dedication page. The book is dedicated to the leader of ISKCON.
The reason the Krishnas are against "modern science" isn't because they believe that the earth is just 6,000 years old; rather, they believe that the earth and all of the cosmos are eternal and had no beginning.
Sir Fred Hoyle, the astonomer who along with his collegue Chandra Wickramasinghe discovered stellar nucleosynthesis (mentioned in an earlier post) won Nobel Prizes for that work. Yet when people like Georges Lemaître (a RCC priest!) and George Gamow suggested that Edwin Hubble's observations led inevitably to the universe having a "creation" or at least a "starting point in time," Hoyle laughed off the idea and called it the "The Big Bang Theory."
Of course in the end, after collecting their own Nobels, Gamow and Lemaître and others had the last laugh. Sir Fred believed in a "modern" version of the Vedic creation accounts. He was one of the first to propose an Anthropic Principle and a form of the Gaia theory. He stayed back from mysticism, but much have his writings have been gobbled up by the New Age movement and regurgitated in predictable forms.
That's where Cremo and Thompson's book comes in. They support Hoyle's "Steady State Theory" that the cosmos has always existed pretty much like you see it today. YECs like Hovind who can rattle off chapters from this book by rote yet refuse to acknowledge using it are hiding something from us. Listen to Hovind's debate with atheist Farrell Till. Hovind is in his prime and Till, well Till sounds old and tired. In Kent's last speech, when Till has no opportunity to respond, Hovind goes through this lengthy listing of "anomalous artifacts." Compare that list to the Table of Contents available at Amazon.com of "Forbidden Archeology."
You'll have to find a copy of the book itself to go through the end notes. It's great fun. "Scientific" sources like "The Weekly World News" are cited repeatedly. Cremo and Co. don't even realize that this "newspaper" is a joke like The Onion. The WWN even has a comic now dedicated to their most infamous "cover story" Bat Boy. The whole thing is intended to be a JOKE! Yet here are YECs regurgitating the same mistake made by the Krishnas.
Try to track down and pin down just one claim in this huge volume. It's all one huge smoke screen intended to throw so much mud at the wall that the writers hope something sticks. Nothing does. Nothing. And that in itself is a remarkable achievement.
Notice, I have not "attacked" their religion? ISKCON may be questionable, but the Vedic texts they purport to follow are a treasure trove of important historical information. It's just the "eternal Earth" theory probably should not be taken any more literally than the "6,000 y.o. Earth theory." And both theorists are wrong to cite the Weekly World News as a "scientific" source!
Have you looked at the other "beginning" theories besides the standard BB theory like the brane theory etc?
Here's where it gets kind of confusing. The Brane Theory is derived from String Theory which in the past wasn't part of the "Standard Model" but has been gaining increasing acceptance.
The "Standard Model" for many years simply could not get past Planck Time after "The Big Bang." There was no way to "see" or even theorize about conditions at Time = 0 or "In the beginning..." as some people liked to put it. Brane Theory offers tools for working with the physical forces of the universe at and possibly before Time = 0.
Being a self described "Standard Model kind of a guy" I haven't really gotten caught up on some of the stuff thats' there. As I understand it, Brane Theory, in going into the time before Planck Time, doesn't conflict with "The Big Bang Theory" but offers some more ways to elucidate that theory and to find the "Holy Grail;" the Grand Unified Theory.
Einstein married space and time together with electromagnetism in his famous equation. But getting gravity and I forget which atomic force into the whole scheme still alludes us. Brane (as in a part of a membrane) Theory may provide some help.
dunno. been up for 2 days straight... room is spinning... it will all make sense when I fall asleep and I'll work it all out again- I've done it before, only to forget everything when I wake up... My wife says I'm a genius when I sleep. I think she means, when I shut up.
The Genesis account is not the account of the beginning of the beginning. It is the Beginning of the beginning of Mans history.
Gen 1 says “in the beginning, the Earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
In other words, Gen1 doesn’t tell the story of the formation of the Earth. It just tells the story of Gods creation in the earth as it relates to our human history.
On Day 1 God made Light, on day 4 he created the Sun and the Moon and the stars. It was this creation that set time in motion. Before the sun was created, there was no time. Before that the term Day was simply a way of separating Gods actions into parts.
(This is my own theory and is not to be confused with truth or what really happened, but I like it.)
Everything that happened before the sun and moon were created happened in Eternity and thus there is no way of figuring out how long ago that was.
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The theory/religion of evolution is backed up by a very long series of frauds, many of which were publicly exposed (such as the fake fetal development woodcuts), but most continue to be promoted by educators.
If one believes the bible is true, then one cannot believe evolution has presence in scripture after reading Evolution Handbook, because evolution is smoke and mirrors; it is a lie. I'm not even talking against evolution with scripture, I am talking about physics. Stellar Evolution and theories such as 'big bang' are impossible according to basic laws such as 'conservation of angular momentum'. The evolution of life from 'primordial soup' is based on equations such as 'dirt + water + time = increasingly complex life forms'. Of course, evolutionists have attempted to create life in certain lab environments simulating a micro 'promordial soup', and were even reported to succeed in one case. However, shortly after, the 'success' was exposed as a lie and a fraud.
The ideas of Darwin (who wasn't even a scientist), and other early evolutionists (armchair 'scientists', aka philosophers), were promoted by the British Aristocracy and Royalty who, like other Royal familes, had already believed in a kind of false evolution religion for centuries (the superior blueblood stock, bred to rule over the 'low class morons'), who seem to share a common hobby of breeding horses, etc. For them it is a religion. They were very excited with the ideas of Darwin and his friends.
I highly recommend watching the following documentary on Google Video. It will totally shock you.
The theory/religion of evolution is backed up by a very long series of frauds, many of which were publicly exposed (such as the fake fetal development woodcuts), but most continue to be promoted by educators.
If one believes the bible is true, then one cannot believe evolution has presence in scripture after reading Evolution Handbook, because evolution is smoke and mirrors; it is a lie. I'm not even talking against evolution with scripture, I am talking about physics. Stellar Evolution and theories such as 'big bang' are impossible according to basic laws such as 'conservation of angular momentum'. The evolution of life from 'primordial soup' is based on equations such as 'dirt + water + time = increasingly complex life forms'. Of course, evolutionists have attempted to create life in certain lab environments simulating a micro 'promordial soup', and were even reported to succeed in one case. However, shortly after, the 'success' was exposed as a lie and a fraud.
The ideas of Darwin (who wasn't even a scientist), and other early evolutionists (armchair 'scientists', aka philosophers), were promoted by the British Aristocracy and Royalty who, like other Royal familes, had already believed in a kind of false evolution religion for centuries (the superior blueblood stock, bred to rule over the 'low class morons'), who seem to share a common hobby of breeding horses, etc. For them it is a religion. They were very excited with the ideas of Darwin and his friends. This was an opportunity to force their religion on everyone by calling it 'science', which led to the justification of 'eugenics' and other sickening practices. "Surely anyone who disagrees with evolution is a nave and a fool! It is SCIENCE!"
Also, I highly recommend watching this documentary on Google Video. It will shock you.
The Genesis account is not the account of the beginning of the beginning. It is the Beginning of the beginning of Mans history.
Gen 1 says “in the beginning, the Earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
In other words, Gen1 doesn’t tell the story of the formation of the Earth. It just tells the story of Gods creation in the earth as it relates to our human history.
Here I disagree with you, because to me, "without form and void" means pretty much nonexsistant. Void = nothing, without form = formless,shapeless etc. So if you have a formless nothing, thats then made into earth, it seems like it is indeed a brief account of the formation of the earth. I also think science can lend light to HOW that formation took place.
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On Day 1 God made Light, on day 4 he created the Sun and the Moon and the stars. It was this creation that set time in motion. Before the sun was created, there was no time. Before that the term Day was simply a way of separating Gods actions into parts.
(This is my own theory and is not to be confused with truth or what really happened, but I like it.)
I agree here, and as you said its just my own theory. Infact, I wasen't aware that anyone else realy shared my theories until posting it here, and I CERTAINLY wasen't aware that so much had been written about it.
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Everything that happened before the sun and moon were created happened in Eternity and thus there is no way of figuring out how long ago that was.
The theory/religion of evolution is backed up by a very long series of frauds, many of which were publicly exposed (such as the fake fetal development woodcuts), but most continue to be promoted by educators.
If one believes the bible is true, then one cannot believe evolution has presence in scripture after reading Evolution Handbook, because evolution is smoke and mirrors; it is a lie. I'm not even talking against evolution with scripture, I am talking about physics. Stellar Evolution and theories such as 'big bang' are impossible according to basic laws such as 'conservation of angular momentum'. The evolution of life from 'primordial soup' is based on equations such as 'dirt + water + time = increasingly complex life forms'. Of course, evolutionists have attempted to create life in certain lab environments simulating a micro 'promordial soup', and were even reported to succeed in one case. However, shortly after, the 'success' was exposed as a lie and a fraud.
The ideas of Darwin (who wasn't even a scientist), and other early evolutionists (armchair 'scientists', aka philosophers), were promoted by the British Aristocracy and Royalty who, like other Royal familes, had already believed in a kind of false evolution religion for centuries (the superior blueblood stock, bred to rule over the 'low class morons'), who seem to share a common hobby of breeding horses, etc. For them it is a religion. They were very excited with the ideas of Darwin and his friends.
I highly recommend watching the following documentary on Google Video. It will totally shock you.
Sure, like just about every "truth" put out by the world, there are a lot of lies involved, but there are also bits of truth as well, some theories have more truth than others.
What would you say about the scriptures that say that life formed from the oceans? Just like some theories of evolution claim.
What about the Bibles account of the flood, and sciences findings that indicate a major earth wide flood as well?
Just because there are lies in most (if not all) of those theories, does not mean there is no truth there.
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