Pastor Wendell Elms, TX, defends standards on local news channel

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

...I'm blessed. My pastor doesn't preach on Sundays on things like ladies dress... he teaches on it maybe once a year in a Bible study...
I don't know many clothesline preachers in our area... I do understand there are some out there who preach more about women's clothing than they do about the plan of salvation... or so it seems. That's a shame.

I'm sure this pastor is wishing he hadn't have cast his pearls before swine...
The world today is out for Christian blood... of any denomination.

Agreed. It seems that they are wanting a juicy story to go on and sad fact is the stories are there. It is a disturbing thing to me that the Pastor even talked about it. If it is a thing the the HG opens your eyes to and the world can not see it, like he said, then why talk about it. Give a blanket statement answer. Such as, "Many people give up things for God or show their submission to Him. We all give up different things." Something like that instead of making it seemed 'required' to attend.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

...I'm blessed. My pastor doesn't preach on Sundays on things like ladies dress... he teaches on it maybe once a year in a Bible study...
I don't know many clothesline preachers in our area... I do understand there are some out there who preach more about women's clothing than they do about the plan of salvation... or so it seems. That's a shame.

I'm sure this pastor is wishing he hadn't have cast his pearls before swine...
The world today is out for Christian blood... of any denomination.

There is much truth in your post! The only thing that I would add differently, is that in the area that I am from, there are a lot of preachers who preach this way (not mine, thank God) but I don't believe that it is that way in most places. I think there are much more Bible centered Apostolic churches around than are given credit for on this forum. I'm not excusing the ones who are preaching that way, I think it a crying shame what is done by some men in the name of the Gospel, but I do think there are a whole lot of good churches out there as well.

As far as anyone knowing this pastor, my parents were there in Wichita Falls in service with them earlier this year, and when I forwarded that clip to my mother, she couldn't believe it. She said the interviewer would have had to have been trying hard to get those quotes and shots that were taken.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Ms. LPW

I agree with your statements.
Since no one on here seems to know the pastor who was interviewed personally, none of us can judge what he did and didn't say and what he did and didn't mean. We all know how media reports things...
We don't know what was said and left out of the interview. Maybe nothing was... maybe he just did a poor job of explaining it.

I can speak from my own experience as well...I know that my lifestyle has been a conversation starter many many times over the years... it hasn't once caused anyone to not want to know more about what I believe... quite the contrary.

And it hasn't stopped the people we've brought to church, or taught home bible studies to, from coming to the Lord either.
Our neighbour lady has been coming for three months... she doesn't own a skirt... no one is forcing her to do anything, and she's still coming.

The greatest criticisms I've had in my lifetime over my outward dress has not come from the "unchurched" or even the other churches in Christiandom but it has come from those who once adhered to the same "standards" of dress and who now scorn them as though I were in bondage.

I know him personally and his 3 brothers. Good men one and all! But any of us can be taken out of context at any time. Many Pentecostals lead "sheltered" lives and are somewhat naive to the ways of the world!
Raven

Originally Posted by Kutless

Dear Dr. Phil, what is a secular view of the home?

sincerely,

G. Gook

Dear G. Gook,

I am sure you jest! It is the one that openly contradicts the scripture and makes the woman who choses NOT to work outside the home a loser and oppressed. Just like those who CHOSE to live separated lives are viewed as equally a loser and oppressed by those like you and your beloved group of cohorts who see a legalist behind every tree!

Oh, and for all wondering, it is probably the taking of the meds that has reduced my restraint to the point that I

[seguidordejesus]

Is G. Gook from Vietnam?

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by philjones

Dear G. Gook,

I am sure you jest! It is the one that openly contradicts the scripture and makes the woman who choses NOT to work outside the home a loser and oppressed. Just like those who CHOSE to live separated lives are viewed as equally a loser and oppressed by those like you and your beloved group of cohorts who see a legalist behind every tree!

Oh, and for all wondering, it is probably the taking of the meds that has reduced my restraint to the point that I

Dr. Phil your awesome!

Its all clear now. Prescription not needed. I reiterate my view by stating it sickens me to see a women work while her "preacher" husband lives hog high. BE A MAN!!! It also sickens me to hear people preach that a womens place is in the home. Its virtually immpossible for poor folks like myself. At my house we work together.

And BTW Dr., I live in the city there are no trees to hide the legalist. They are in plain view..........

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Is G. Gook from Vietnam?

No. Just a figment of the dear Drs imagination.

He shows up for those who consider every question a rebellious activity.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I agree 100% with you. It looks so childish really. Even nowadays if you ask a churched person (ie. baptist, methodist, etc) about these things they will laugh at you. I lived in a town in Ill and there was an Apostolic church around the corner from the UPC church. I met the pastor one day and we talked about standards. He said that he had tried to get with the UPC pastor over the years and fellowship but the UPC church wouldn't because of standards. The community did not understand it. I didn't understand it then. Now I understand elitism when I see it.

Elistism? Maybe its just a matter of being true to one's convictions.

Someone else might want to argue that those convictions are off base, or out of step with the times, or whatever. But a person's convictions are their convictions, so personally I always respect the fact that a person decides to remain true to those convictions regardless of how popular/unpopular they are.

Originally Posted by Kutless

Dr. Phil your awesome!

Its all clear now. Prescription not needed. I reiterate my view by stating it sickens me to see a women work while her "preacher" husband lives hog high. BE A MAN!!! It also sickens me to hear people preach that a womens place is in the home. Its virtually immpossible for poor folks like myself. At my house we work together.

And BTW Dr., I live in the city there are no trees to hide the legalist. They are in plain view..........

Dear G. Gook,

You will be pleased to note that I too, find the circumstance you have described as sickening and **gasp** UnBiblical!

In all honesty, I think the heart of God is grieved with the way we have perverted his plan for the family due to our lust for things and stuff. I have been wrestling lately with the question of which spirit is more detrimental to the church... the spirit of contentment or the spirit of discontent. I think our satisfaction with church and outreach and Apostolic demonstration as usual is evidence of the spirit of contentment. This spirit is pervasive and destructive. On the other hand, our dissatisfaction with everything earthly, our car is not new enough or the right brand name, or I need more shoes or clothes or a bigger house or you name it is the spirit of discontentment. I have seen this equally pervasive spirit drive folks to the point that they no longer have time for church or God or their family or anything else positive. It is this spirit of competition and discontentment that has put our wives in the work force ALONG with the husbands just to make ends meet.

I sincerely believe that God would prefer his children to live a simple and uncomplicated life (I do not qualify) of service to him and not one of service to self. It has been my personal experience that when I become self focused or self serving, sin is not far behind in my life! In fact, selfishness is what ushered sin into the garden. It was the spirit of discontentment that was introduced to Eve to cause here to desire that forbidden fruit. Solely serving self will always lead to sin!

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by philjones

Dear G. Gook,

You will be pleased to note that I too, find the circumstance you have described as sickening and **gasp** UnBiblical!

In all honesty, I think the heart of God is grieved with the way we have perverted his plan for the family due to our lust for things and stuff. I have been wrestling lately with the question of which spirit is more detrimental to the church... the spirit of contentment or the spirit of discontent. I think our satisfaction with church and outreach and Apostolic demonstration as usual is evidence of the spirit of contentment. This spirit is pervasive and destructive. On the other hand, our dissatisfaction with everything earthly, our car is not new enough or the right brand name, or I need more shoes or clothes or a bigger house or you name it is the spirit of discontentment. I have seen this equally pervasive spirit drive folks to the point that they no longer have time for church or God or their family or anything else positive. It is this spirit of competition and discontentment that has put our wives in the work force ALONG with the husbands just to make ends meet.

I sincerely believe that God would prefer his children to live a simple and uncomplicated life (I do not qualify) of service to him and not one of service to self. It has been my personal experience that when I become self focused or self serving, sin is not far behind in my life! In fact, selfishness is what ushered sin into the garden. It was the spirit of discontentment that was introduced to Eve to cause here to desire that forbidden fruit. Solely serving self will always lead to sin!

Doc, that was a wise diagnosis.

I would like to add though that the wives in the work force was something started by a previous generation. At least the road to that end. I would argue that we (my family ) live quite simple lives in comparison to many. I'l spare you the details. But even so, when considering the ever rising costs of medical ins, gasoline, food (have you priced milk lately) we simply could not make it unless we both worked. Not to mention while there are major increases in cost of living my employer remains oblivious.

I agree with the selfishness part of your post, but think that sometimes it comes down to survival. 40 million plus.....no ins. I wonder how many Americans live paycheck to paycheck. A report by the Dept of Agriculture the other day said 30 million people went hungry last year a majority of whom were single moms. Not for sure the exact definition of "going hungry". But wouldn't it be just a little selfish to take so much time energy and prayer in deciding whether somebody else can advertise on TV or whatever?