Standards protect inward holiness!!!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

2Ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

I don't worry about PROTECTING my holiness (if I had any to protect). Thats not my job. Thats His job I have committed my heart, my life and my soul who is able to keep it. He is quite capable. My job is to live so that His Holiness can be PROJECTED thru me.

Oh hallelujah!!!!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I believe that we can set up boundaries to protect ourselves (and others) from personal weaknesses. But I don't believe that the boundaries in and of themselves are reflective of holiness, and in some cases, they serve instead to mask private corruption.

This wraps up my feelings completely!!!!

I'm just going to go behind your posts and say AMEN! LOL!

[Thad]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

First, let me ask - do you really feel that outward standards protect inward holiness?

who are you asking ?? If me, i would say to some degree but not altogether.

I think in many of the churches that have an over emphasis of the outward, their whole salvation seems to based on keeping rules.
on the otherhand, having no standards seem to take a lot of people completley away from their roots at least by the second generation

[Thad]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

This wraps up my feelings completely!!!!

I'm just going to go behind your posts and say AMEN! LOL!

I thought it was well stated too

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

When the inside is right it will show up on the outside!
I am not saying that clothes make you holy. Standards are not holiness.

I completely agree with this, but not in the way that you would agree with too.

There have been people in my life that have put me to shame with their "holiness" and it had NOTHING to do with the way they dressed.

Their inward holiness and love for God exuded in their smile, their love and concern for others, their unselfishness, their excitement about what God has done in their life and their daily devotion to prayer and giving God glory for all he's done for them.

The one lady I'm speaking of would walk down the hall at work and people would say, now that's one Christian lady. She was Presbyterian.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Thad

who are you asking ?? If me, i would say to some degree but not altogether.

I think in many of the churches that have an over emphasis of the outward, their whole salvation seems to based on keeping rules.
on the otherhand, having no standards seem to take a lot of people completley away from their roots at least by the second generation

You are correct, sir. There Is too much emphasis among some regarding "standards". Even Jesus addressed that problem.

And, your other statement i(in bold) s also true. However I don't think I have ever seen a person professing to be a Christian, let alone an Apostolic/Pentecostal Christian, with NO STANDARDS. True, some adhere to stricter standards than others, but they all have some degree of standards.

Keeping standards doesn't save us. He does.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Keeping standards doesn't save us. He does.

*** Dan shockamoo's wildly ... flailing arms in your grill***

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by bdlooney

I am so frustrated with people today!

Why is it that when anyone of our people (Ladies especially) hold up "traditional" standards of dress they are automatically deemed as unfashionable?

My good wife wears skirts well below her knees and she is extremely fashionable. She does not look frumpy, weird, old lady or anything!

She looks like a lady who is worshipping her God in the beauty of holiness. Just because she doesn't have a tug-of-war match with her skirt every service does not make her archaic!

And this is not about my wife. I am using her as an example.

And just who determines fashion anyway? Is it a Spirit filled, modesty loving person? I don't think so! So why do we attempt to measure up to them?

I remember a scripture that says We are in the world but not of the world!

Why is there an assault on the holiness loving people that uphold outward standards to protect inward holiness? And why are these assualts coming from those that once were apart of us?

If you want to be charismatic then be charismatic but please stop trying to shove your so called "liberty" down my throat!!!!

There I think my rant is over!

Im waiting for the argument supporting the assertion that standards protect inward holiness

[OneAccord]

I'm waiting for the Scripture: "We are in the world, but not of the world".

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im waiting for the argument supporting the assertion that standards protect inward holiness

[Thad]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

You are correct, sir. There Is too much emphasis among some regarding "standards". Even Jesus addressed that problem.

And, your other statement i(in bold) s also true. However I don't think I have ever seen a person professing to be a Christian, let alone an Apostolic/Pentecostal Christian, with NO STANDARDS. True, some adhere to stricter standards than others, but they all have some degree of standards.

Keeping standards doesn't save us. He does.

I agree with that too. my brother teaches a class on standards and classifies it like this: there are bible standards, local church standards, and PERSONAL Standards. bible standards are moral absolutes and prohibitions for all of time and peoples.church and personal standards vary that are principles based on God's word and are applied where needed. not everyone needs to abide by the same ones. most of the time it's needed to protect our own fleshly nature from eventually falling