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Old 11-24-2007, 06:55 PM
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I understand we can all fall if we turn our eyes off of Christ.
Really rather than condemn folks,I pray the fallen are restored and find mercy.
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:57 PM
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I don't pastor currently but cases like this have a special interest to me,because if a door opens up I don't want to be a Spiritually abusive leader.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:17 PM
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Stonewall since you were a former member ,it doesn't seem to have affected your Christianity,you seem like you have a strong faith in Christ.
Thanks for the affirmation, brother. My wife and a I are very grateful to have survived by God's grace, and to still have our marriage.

Still looking for the balance between gullibility and trust. Well, the balance is knowing His voice, and not following any other - that is the goal for us.

I'm sure God will honor your desire to be a faithful minister. If more shepherds would realize that it is God's flock, not theirs, much sin could be avoided.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:18 PM
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Thanks for sharing, I don't know if you were the one I was corresponding with on FCF when I shared some of the details about this church's downfall.
Hi Keith,
I did have some email correspondence with someone while participating on FCF/NFCF. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else. I think the person I was corresponding with pastored a church in California.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:23 PM
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Thanks for the affirmation, brother. My wife and a I are very grateful to have survived by God's grace, and to still have our marriage.

Still looking for the balance between gullibility and trust. Well, the balance is knowing His voice, and not following any other - that is the goal for us.

I'm sure God will honor your desire to be a faithful minister. If more shepherds would realize that it is God's flock, not theirs, much sin could be avoided.
Well Dearest Bro.In Christ I'm glad your marriage has survived,and I pray that God crowns your life with goodness,and grace.
If I ever do pastor I have no desire to control people,my desire is to see people submit to The Holy Spirit and develope a personal walk with The Lord for themselves.
Pastors have a important role but they do not replace Jesus Christ,The Great Sheperd.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:25 PM
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Hi Scott,
I did have some email correspondence with someone while participating on FCF/NFCF. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else. I think the person I was corresponding with pastored a church in California.
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I think you meant to respond to Keith4him, he does Pastor in CA.
But Walk and Talk how are you and your wife doing these days ?
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:41 PM
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I did have some email correspondence with someone while participating on FCF/NFCF. I'm not sure if it was you or someone else. I think the person I was corresponding with pastored a church in California.
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That would be me, I am glad to see you around.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:49 PM
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Thanks for the affirmation, brother. My wife and a I are very grateful to have survived by God's grace, and to still have our marriage.

Still looking for the balance between gullibility and trust. Well, the balance is knowing His voice, and not following any other - that is the goal for us.I'm sure God will honor your desire to be a faithful minister. If more shepherds would realize that it is God's flock, not theirs, much sin could be avoided.
Bro, Stonewall,

The bolded is a profound statement! The LORD is my Shepherd

I shall not want. He leads me. He makes me. He restores my soul.

He comforts me. He provides for me.

Blessings,

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Old 11-24-2007, 07:49 PM
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I think you meant to respond to Keith4him, he does Pastor in CA.
But Walk and Talk how are you and your wife doing these days ?
Thanks Scott,
I went back and edited the name.

My wife and I are doing GREAT. (My wife was never part of CC.) We've been married for 10 years now, and we grow closer every day. Thanks for asking.

My physical self is doing very poorly. I was in the hospital last week, and have three more hospital appointments (tests) over the next 3 weeks. However, my wife is strong and walking 2-4 miles daily no matter the weather. She keeps me going.

One of the things we've learned through these last four years is that our possessions and our bodies are not who we are. They won't go to heaven with us. As hard as our (anyone's) trials seem to be, we can still have a vibrant relationship with the Lord. Possessions (or lack thereof) and our bodies (good or bad health) should not rob us of the joy and peace found in the Lord.

Before the accident (Oct 03) we dedicated ourselves to His service and to be people of the Word. (I.e. If the Word said to take no thought for tomorrow, then we were not going to worry tomorrow. etc.) As a couple we feel our relationship with each other and with the Lord has been GREATLY enhanced by our dedication to have daily time together in prayer and Bible study. We miss it terribly when distractions come our way.

I have not been in the ordained ministry for several years now. Both of us long to be back in the harvest fields. Our vision is strong. With age and physical problems snowballing, it would be easy to say it was all over for having any type of vision for being fruitful as the Lord's vessels. However, we keep a vision by faith and are not looking with natural eyes for things to build our faith.

Thanks again for asking.
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Old 11-24-2007, 08:07 PM
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In case the accusations are true, for one thing. If they are true, open skepticism amounts to disregard for a wounded sheep - quite contrary to the heart of a shepherd.
If someone openly brings accusations about abuse whether true or false, then some will be skeptical and openly challenge their accusations. There needs to be more than one witness to this abuse. The attitude of those examining this person can be called into question but I don't see what is wrong with being skeptical. Questioning someones veracity doesn't have to mean you are saying they are lying but is more a demand of proof.

Pr 18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him.

18:17 The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him.
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