An Uncertain Sound

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

There we have it folks.

THIS kind of posting is why dizzyde is one of my favorites to read here.

[Encryptus]

A new low.

Comparing advertising a church on TV to try and reach the lost with Lot's incestuous relationship with his daughters.

Another graduate from the DA and PP School of Hyperbole.

Unless it was meant literally in which case. Sad really sad.

[mfblume]

These threads always remind me of Paul's warning against outward issues being emphasized:

Colossians 2:20-3:3 KJV (20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not; (22) Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men? (23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (3:1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. (2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. (3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

(I always throw this into the forum every few months.)

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

A new low.

Comparing advertising a church on TV to try and reach the lost with Lot's incestuous relationship with his daughters.

Another graduate from the DA and PP School of Hyperbole.

Unless it was meant literally in which case. Sad really sad.

Whew... Right on!

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

1 Corinthians 14:7-9 (King James Version)

7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.

Since the passage of Res 4, many churches are clamoring for the chance to advertise on tv. Mind you, this does not mean that they are going to preach, just advertise.
I wonder just how many members who have bought tv's since the passage? After all, to see the ads one must have a box to do so, unless you watch for it on some publicly posted set.
Wonder how many preachers who say that they upheld the tenets of the org, yet own tv's?
UPC issued an uncertain sound when they passed this sticky resolution.
The manual does not allow for ministers to own a tv set. Nor does it reccomend to members that they own one. Yet, an uncertain sound was indeed issued when the media of tv was permitted for use amongst apostolic churches within the org.
I believe that it will be a matter of time before all restrictions against its use are removed.
The carnality of tv is so evident to any who watch, yet the church runs headlong after it. It is akin to Lot pitching his tent towards Sodom. He became so entranced with the sin that he moved in amongst them.
When the angels tried to get him to leave, he became a mocker. He had to be forcibly dragged out before his carnal carcass roasted along with the rest of the filth that God saw fit to destroy.
The story didn't end there. It wasn't long before an incestuous union with his daughters produced two vile young men who would later torment the children of Abraham. One was to become God's washpot. The other wasn't even useful for that. He was bent on ultimate destruction.
Lot was likely a good, church going individual. When Abraham was told to leave his country and family, he took Lot. Lot had to have attended services of sorts with Abraham. Yet, we find that even Abraham was worried about him for he pleaded with God to save Lot, indicating that he may have known that Lot wouldn't try to reach anyone, but become closely entangled with their sin. What a tragedy.
Those who wanted this res got their wish. The tent has been pitched. The family is now going to be exposed to all sorts of ungodly filth, things that God decreed destroyed in judgement.
Wonder how long it will be before the family moves right in in the name of diversity and begins to declare their union with sin?
What a tragedy that is about to occur in the homes of what were once good, church going folks.
And all of this will come about because of an uncertain sound being sent by a group that seems to have lost their way.

How about use the scripture in context, this is a good example of taking text, reading your pet issue into it.

[Hawkman]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Probably not as many as you might think. Did you lie to get your ministers license? Just curious.

Real simple answer. I did NOT lie to get my minister's license. Regarding the AS, quite simply, yes, I have lied when I signed it, according to YOUR view. I will continue to sign it as long as I wish and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I double dog dare anyone to try to take my license for simply having a TV. It ain't gonna happen and everyone knows it ain't gonna happen. It would start a firestorm.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Hawkman

Real simple answer. I did NOT lie to get my minister's license. Regarding the AS, quite simply, yes, I have lied when I signed it, according to YOUR view. I will continue to sign it as long as I wish and there is nothing anyone can do about it. I double dog dare anyone to try to take my license for simply having a TV. It ain't gonna happen and everyone knows it ain't gonna happen. It would start a firestorm.

There ya have it folks, he lied according to my view. LOL! Unless "I" mis-interpreted the manual, it does state that no minister shall have a t.v. while holding credentials with the UPCI.

Not that it bothers me that you have a t.v., I don't necessarily believe that one is condemned for having one, however, lying about having one is an altogether different issue, don't you think?

BTW, why would anyone care to come to your house and take your license, when all the board members would have to do is simply not allow them to be renewed?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

There ya have it folks, he lied according to my view. LOL! Unless "I" mis-interpreted the manual, it does state that no minister shall have a t.v. while holding credentials with the UPCI.

Not that it bothers me that you have a t.v., I don't necessarily believe that one is condemned for having one, however, lying about having one is an altogether different issue, don't you think?

BTW, why would anyone care to come to your house and take your license, when all the board members would have to do is simply not allow them to be renewed?

Hawkman is a little more "in your face" than I'm comfortable with; but didn't NA Urshan's 1993 letter say you could read and interpret the AS in pretty much whatever way you wanted?

I signed the AS for another 5 years (it was annual at the time) even though I was increasingly becoming aware of the hypocrisy of the org itself. When I was asked to "sign on" with another man's adultery I let my sig and my membership lapse.

[Hawkman]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

There ya have it folks, he lied according to my view. LOL! Unless "I" mis-interpreted the manual, it does state that no minister shall have a t.v. while holding credentials with the UPCI.

Not that it bothers me that you have a t.v., I don't necessarily believe that one is condemned for having one, however, lying about having one is an altogether different issue, don't you think?

BTW, why would anyone care to come to your house and take your license, when all the board members would have to do is simply not allow them to be renewed?

Like I said, it ain't gonna happen. Not now, not ever. There are too many Board members who have TV's. Face the facts. You may not like it, but that's just the way it is. If only ONE minister is denied renewal for owning a TV, I tell you, there will be a firestorm!

Originally Posted by pelathais

Hawkman is a little more "in your face" than I'm comfortable with; but didn't NA Urshan's 1993 letter say you could read and interpret the AS in pretty much whatever way you wanted?

Yes, I know it is a little "in your face" That is mainly more for effect than anything else. The cover letter stands and there is nothing anyone in the UPC can do about it. As I said, I double dog dare anyone!!! Aint' gonna happen!!! There is too much blatant hypocrisy for anyone to come down on someone for the worst of sins as having a TV.

Immorality is another matter. Someone should be canned immediately for that. But I have a TV and I'm not getting rid of it and neither will I surrender in my license. They can have my license when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it!!! Ha....

In fact, I dare to say that I could tell any board member that I have a TV and still sign the AS and there is NOTHING they could or would do!!!! Period!!!

[Hawkman]

Originally Posted by Hawkman

Bump!!!!!!

I will get rid of my telivisions IF every General Board member will provide to me, or the public, a copy of their Blockbuster or video rental history for the past year. I'll bet there would be some red faces!