Foot washing

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Sheltiedad,

One of the last conversations my middle sister had with our ultra-conservative Pastor...back in the day [the Pastor tried to tell her that she should cover the sin of multiple adulteries in the church as they involved the Pastor's son who was married to my other sister].

She told the Pastor, "You can try to threaten and intimidate me, but I don't fear you any more. If I leave this church and step into the street and get killed it is because it is my time to go not because I uncovered your son's sin."

Fearing God is a deep respect for God, but to fear man is ridiculous and to let men intimidate and threaten to prove their viewpoint is the sin of Jezebel.

Blessings, Rhoni

I must be getting senile did I pronounce some judgment on the poster? I just addressed the attitude he has about the Word of God. Evidently the Bible means squat to him he sees it as a book written by man that contains the Word of God instead of being the Word of God. I did NOT threaten him or anyone else on here. Then he challenges me????? I will NOT address him again. You know the name of this forum might be misleading Apostolic????????????

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

That is a broad-brush stroke, not Biblical, and a false doctrine.

Blessings, Rhoni

False doctrine to DO and command what Jesus DID and commanded???

Jesus taught false doctrine?

Peter would have NO PART if his feet washing washed folks today have more clout than Peter???????????????

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I must be getting senile did I pronounce some judgment on the poster? I just addressed the attitude he has about the Word of God. Evidently the Bible means squat to him he sees it as a book written by man that contains the Word of God instead of being the Word of God. I did NOT threaten him or anyone else on here. Then he challenges me????? I will NOT address him again. You know the name of this forum might be misleading Apostolic????????????

Sheltiedad is quite open about not claiming to be Apostolic. A lot of us tolerate him anyway.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

False doctrine to DO and command what Jesus DID and commanded???

Jesus taught false doctrine?

Peter would have NO PART if his feet washing washed folks today have more clout than Peter???????????????

Hey Doc

Just consider the source.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

We must be through talking about Footwashing. Sigh. Another, brilliant, excellent and wise post down the tubes.

Not down the tubes at all, I just got back from church! Keep up the good word, my friend! God bless you.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Brother Epley-

With all respect to you as a minister, and not wishing to appear argumentative, but I haven't see the evidence of "closet agnostics" posting here. As I understand the definition of an agostic, I see no one
.... who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
....who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
....who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=agnostic

I stand corrected. Perhaps the last difinition of an agnostic does apply here. But if I, or anyone else, have doubts and are noncommittal on an issue, it is because of the inconsistencies expressed in regards to those issues. In previous posts you stated quite emphatically that a person who did not partake of foot washing would be lost because it was a direct command of the Lord to do so. But then you said they would NOT be lost if they did not have the opportunity to obey this "command" they would not be lost. Then, in answer to my last post you said :



If tithing , church attendance, and foot washing are direct commands, then they would carry the same weight as baptism. What you are suggesting is that while foot washing IS a direct command, it is of lesser importance than water baptism. However it was Jesus who said these words: Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. It was James who added this: Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. According to your interpretation, it is permissible to break the lesser commandments. But, as we can clearly see, there are no lesser commandments. You say a person may die before having the opportunity to pay their tithes, and they would make it to heaven. Following that logic, and allowing that concession, wouldn’t it also be true for one who dies after repentance and BEFORE he is baptized? Or a Trinitarian, who dies before understanding the revelation of the Oneness of the Godhead?

No, Bro. Epley, there are no agnostics here. No one doubts the existence of God here. I haven’t seen where any one professes themselves to be wise, so there are no fools here. There are some, though, who question. Not the Bible. The Bible speaks for itself. There are some question faulty logic, and incorrect interpretations. I don’t know who you were referring to as a closet agnostic. And that doesn’t really matter. But just know this: I respect you as a minister of the Gospel.

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[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Sam

My personal opinion is that Jesus gave us an example of service.
He taught that we should serve one another by love.
I don't think His words mean that we should literally have regular "foot washing services."

I've been part of churches who practice foot washing. I've participated. I've never heard it mentioned in the church where I have been going since spring of 2006 and we have (open) communion about once a month. I have no problem washing a brother's feet. I think washing feet is symbolic of serving one another. I think Peter was thinking back to that night in the upper room when he wrote these words years later:

1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble.
6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
1 Peter 5:1-6

Verse 5 reads:
"put on the apron of humility" Moffatt, ISV"
"wrap yourselves in the garment of humility" NEB
"wear the overall of humility" Phillips
"Clothe (apron) yurselves, ... with humility --as the garb of a servant" Amplified

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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Theophil

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I answered this post.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Ok, lets see...
1) Repent
2) be baptized according to Acts 2:38
3) be filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues
4) Observe standards (even the long sleeved ones)
5) Wash feet
6) Observe communion
7) Believe in One God
3) Men, DO NOT grow facial hair
4) Attend church EVERY SERVICE
5) Women, DO NOT preach
6) ...and don't cut your hair
7) Obey EVERYTHING your pastor tells you
8) Attend a CONSERVATIVE Apostolic Church
9) Do not own, watch or even glimpse at a TV
...and thou shalt be saved.

Have I missed anything?

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[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Theophil

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Footwashing MAY be symbolic of many things no argument. However Jesus took literal water put it in a literal basin and washed literal feet and said this was for an EXAMPLE and told them to DO THIS. It is so simple.
Here is a thought the Lord's supper is to symbolize his death think about this
the host becomes a servant in feetwashing to cleanse his disciples. God took upon himself the form of a servant to cleanse our walk.