Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

It is a direct question. You sidestepped almost as good as Daniel, but it is a simple direct question. Let me simplify it again for you.

A-HA!!!... So I'm not the only one who's noticed that Daniel is the master sidestepper. I guess that's his modus operandi here. I was beginning to figure that out for myself, but I guess I'll take this as confirmation.

Dan certainly seems to be a combination of Muhammad Ali (bobbing and weaving), and Fred Astaire (dancing/sidestepping) here on AFF. After a while it does become amusing to watch.

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

it is a simple direct question. Let me simplify it again for you.
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A- Do you believe in essentially of Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost?

B- Do you not believe the above?

</b>Your posting that I have read on this thread screams out B, and so that is why I asked a simple question. A 4 yr old child can answer yes or no. Why did you make it sound like this is so deep you cannot?

BoredoutmyMind.. good luck getting a direct answer from J-Roc on that one.

Sounds like his answer would almost certainly be B, rather than A, just judging from his previous posts. But getting him to come out and say it directly might not be very easy.

[SDG]

Good job in borrowing my boxing analogy ... the Fred Estaire one was used by PJ, just this week. Come let us reason .... lol.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Obedience comes when the heart falls in love with Jesus. "If you love me, keep my commandments." You cannot obey until you love him, you cannot love him until he has forgiven you. "To whom much is forgiven, the same loveth much." You fall in love when you receive his forgiveness and recognize his sacrifice for your sin.

Here's the real plan of salvation.
1. Come to God with a heart of repentance seeking him to be Lord of your life.
2. Jesus saves you and washed you.
3. You are greatful for forgiveness and Calvary.
4. You fall in love with Jesus.
5. You submit to his will for your life which includes baptism as a sign of inward faith.
6. You fall in love with him more everyday.
7. You surrender to his will again.
8. You seek the baptism of the H.G.
9. You stay close to Jesus and develop a relationship with him.
10. You start helping people and loving everyone you meet.
11. You stop complaining.
12. You stop gossiping on AFF
13. You stop telling everybody else their lost.
14. You surrender again to Jesus and his will for your life.
15. You continuous live by the renewing of His word.
16. You walk in humility before the Lord.
17. You go on a 40 day fast.
18. You cook burritos and peanut brittle until you can't stand up anymore.
19. You pay your tithes and offerings faithfully.
20. You teach Sunday School.
21. You go to revival 14 nights in a row and pray each other through again and again.
22. You get old and grumpy.
23. You get old and don't like what the kids are listening to or are wearing.
24. You develop chronic fatigue syndrome.
25. You develop arthritis.
26. You develop diabetes.
27. Eventually you die.

Is that all? When am I regenerated? How?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

It is a direct question. You sidestepped almost as good as Daniel, but it is a simple direct question. Let me simplify it again for you.

A- Do you believe in essentially of Repentance, Water Baptism, and the Infilling of the Holy Ghost?

B- Do you not believe the above?

Your posting that I have read on this thread screams out B, and so that is why I asked a simple question. A 4 yr old child can answer yes or no. Why did you make it sound like this is so deep you cannot?

BOOM, I have yet to see you engage in debating these matters...instead I see you sitting on the bleachers thinking you can come in to serve as Prosecutor and throw around your questions.

I am welcoming you to come into the debate and show me your meat and I'll be more than happy to engage....until then, you're no prosecutor nor am I on the witness stand...your questions will be deemed worthy of my attention when I see you get in the octagon and show me your stuff....I'm asking for meat....I want to read your thoughts and see you defend your beliefs...I don't want to hear chants from the fans that sit on the bleachers, I want to see you in the octagon of debate.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

BoredoutmyMind.. good luck getting a direct answer from J-Roc on that one...But getting him to come out and say it directly might not be very easy.

Yes, I agree...Good luck. It won't be easy for him from the nose bleed section....he needs to get in the octagon and engage....until then, all I hear are chants.