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[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by revrandy

I think the break down comes from the top down....

ALWAYS, right?

Figures.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

David was absolutely crushed and repented for even touching God's anointed by cutting a piece off of his robe.

This is as sloppy as it can get. How unfortunate.

Outrageous...oy vey.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

This is as sloppy as it can get. How unfortunate.

Outrageous...oy vey.

Explain how it is "sloppy" J-Roc...David did repent for exactly what Jekyl said he did.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Explain how it is "sloppy" J-Roc...David did repent for exactly what Jekyl said he did.

By using what happened in those days to give validity to a notion that we should feel crushed and repented by "touching a pastor by cutting off a piece their robe"

Coonskinner, dont you realize it is this kind of thinking that get people to make comments about UCs saying they are "holier than thou"

This sloppy application is the catalyst of such sarcastic remarks.

When will we realize this and acknowledge this and begin to restore clergy/laymen relations? As long as this garbage thinking is presented, people will continue to speak against the ministry in ways that make you so livid. I know how you get when people seemingly attack the ministry, but its comments like this that set people off. Capiche?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

By using what happened in those days to give validity to a notion that we should feel crushed and repented by "touching a pastor by cutting off a piece their robe"

Coonskinner, dont you realize it is this kind of thinking that get people to make comments about UCs saying they are "holier than thou"

This sloppy application is the catalyst of such sarcastic remarks.

When will we realize this and acknowledge this and begin to restore clergy/laymen relations? As long as this garbage thinking is presented, people will continue to speak against the ministry in ways that make you so livid. I know how you get when people seemingly attack the ministry, but its comments like this that set people off. Capiche?

J,

I don't care for the term clergymen/laymen in the first place. A little too Catholic.

All members of the Body of Christ are worthy of respectful treatment, whether they are a part of the five-fold ministry or not.

But the Scripture has plenty to say about the way we regard and interact with leadership. Phrases like "double honor," and "obey them that have the rule over you" come to mind.

And if quoting Scripture in context "sets people off," as you say it does, then the offense is in the heart of the hearer, because the Word is true whether this generation likes certain aspects of it or not.