Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I don’t think any Water/Sprit believer has been more vocal in defending the right of PCI type believers to discuss/defend their beliefs on AFF than myself. I have gone to bat and taken considerable heat from other W/S people (including admin) several times for defending guys who got banned for what I felt were unjust reasons. I continue to do that, however, over the last couple of months there has been a shift from the typical give and take to something else by a handful of posters.

Terms like “Mormon” and “Papist” are getting tossed around like pizza dough. THAT is not part of the give and take that make this place work. It needs to stop. I know this thing goes both ways. Some time back it seemed some of the W/S guys were being a bit over the top and it had to be toned down. Well, in the typical give and take of humanity the pendulum has swung and here we are. No biggie. Lets just get back on track.

That fixes part of the problem. The other part of the problem however, will be a little more difficult.

Some of our conservative brothers have left this place because it isn’t exactly safe to be a conservative in public these days. Its kind of like being a deer with horns from November to January, Having a good set of horns means something but it can also get you shot. I suspect the only cure for this part of the problem is time. Peace my conservative friends. Take cover and come back after hunting season!

Well said, especially the part in bold!

This forum is missing something when our Conservative brethren are absent!

[Ron]

I enjoy a lively discussion as anyone else, however what I find is that there is a WORLD out there almost 100% against God and I deal with attitudes & contentious people on a daily basis!

I don't desire to come into the midst of what I would say are my bro's & sis's in the Lord & find it here too.

One solution-logg off, take a break, spend time with family, spend time with God!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Scotty, I'll ask you the question that StMatthew will never answer: Why don't you hold to the beliefs of the founders of the Apostolic Faith movement? They were the ones who coined the phrase "Apostolic Faith" and applied it to their practice of Spirit filled worship and associated beliefs.

If you call yourself "Apostolic" why don't you believe what the pioneers of this movement preached?

I'll add BOOMMster's question as well...



BOOMM, why don't you believe what our founders taught?

If you speak of that street revival in San Fransisco, I am really weary of posting about it ,,, but one more time for the record...that group itself splintered within 2 years of the revival, so which splinter group are you calling the "founders" or whatever you seem to think sways my beliefs.

Whichever one of those groups that walked away with the Truth of Oneness, Holy Ghost salvation as written of the Day of Pentecost then thats the one I will follow. How do I know which one that is? Through the Spirit, thats how the Word says you will know the truth. Thats my point Bro., the Word as taught through the Spirit is where I will stand, the founder of that is Jesus Christ as taught through the diciples. Period.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Thanks for answering!

You are right about the cycles and I know we can get through this one too.

I honestly do NOT believe this has become a ex-UPC forum.

I don't think it has either but the dynamics have changed to quite a large degree. To me something very important is lost when the more conservative element is gone.

I feel much more comfortable with the balance that's here when we have a good strong conservative (however you think of that) presence.

The truth is, no matter what group you're part of whether it's a church, a denomination, an organization, what have you there's always the perceived left, right and center. How that's defined is based largely on where you sit on the proverbial scale.

I like a good mix and feel most comfortable with that. Lately, what is here on this forum doesn't interest me much to be honest. No offence intended to admin or anyone else. I'm just making a general statement and it's only my opinion.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

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Where did your "beliefs" come from in the first place?

Do you believe that the Bible is the Word of God?

Do you believe that when you recieve the Holy Ghost that the scriptures will be opened up to you as the Bible says?

Do you believe God is the same yesterday, today and forever as the Bible says?

Do you believe that recieving the Holy Ghost is the beginning of your very own personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

If you answered No to any of these, then your only reason for being on this forum is to discredit a doctrine in which you for some reason or another hate or despise.

If you answered yes to ALL of these then you can not be "open" to any thing else. We can have discussion within the realm of the doctorine but not about other "views or beliefs".

Here is how this plays out, if you confess that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Ghost then it is through that power in the Spirit of Jesus that you (should) have the beliefs you have in your heart. WHY WOULD YOU TAKE THOSE GOD GIVEN THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST BELIEFS AND "HOLD THEM UP TO ANYTHING MAN MAY POST ON A FORUM FOR SCRUTINIZATION?!?!?!?!?!? Pardon me for being "salty" as Ferd puts it but , what does that say about ones personal "relationship" with Jesus if one "thinks there might be room for error"?

I don't know about anybody elses God but my God is perfect. Amen. I beseech you Brothers and Sisters, speak through the Word of God as given to you through prayer, worship and living in the Spirit, not for the sport or challenge of debate.

Well, if Jesus ascribed to your theory, he never would have sat down and discussed spiritual issues with Pharisees and heretics.

[Pragmatist]

Maybe I'm not frequenting the right threads, but I'm not seeing the name calling. And if conservatives are being called Mormons and Papists, are they reporting the name callers? Admin can't deal with issues of which they aren't aware.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Well, if Jesus ascribed to your theory, he never would have sat down and discussed spiritual issues with Pharisees and heretics.

Oh come on brother, please.

It wasn't till after the Day of Pentecost the Spirit was poured out as the Comforter. The Spirit of God resided in Ark of the Covenant, not in the Pharisees........but good analogy as to way it is, in the same way Jesus through the Holy Ghost teaches us. Wouldn't have needed that since He was already there in person.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

Oh come on brother, please.

It wasn't till after the Day of Pentecost the Spirit was poured out as the Comforter. The Spirit of God resided in Ark of the Covenant, not in the Pharisees........but good analogy as to way it is, in the same way Jesus through the Holy Ghost teaches us. Wouldn't have needed that since He was already there in person.

So, you're saying that we shouldn't even discuss our beliefs with others who don't share them?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Maybe I'm not frequenting the right threads, but I'm not seeing the name calling. And if conservatives are being called Mormons and Papists, are they reporting the name callers? Admin can't deal with issues of which they aren't aware.

It was admin that started the thread, he must have seen what the rest of us have.

[BrotherEastman]

I beleive in obedience to Acts 2:38, does that make me a three stepper?