Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[ChristopherHall]

The issue is that these are using the PCIers position to justify their liberal approach to Acts 2:38. In the beginning many had yet to come into the full unity of the faith. Today we know the full message and will preach the full message.

Everyone who has not obeyed Acts 2:38 is in disobedience to Scripture and will be lost. I'm not happy with it. I wish it were not so. But if we wish to reach a lost world we have to preach the full message.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

Acts 2:38 to the bone. You will go to hell without it. You cannot be saved in this day and time without it. Belief in any other is another gospel. No acts 2:38, no heaven. PERIOD!! EXCLAMATION POINT!!!

Preach it sister!!!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I am confused now. BOOMM posted a pic that I think I described rather accurately. It involved people who have been literally slaughtering each other for centuries. Despite the carnage, I remained "calm," comfortable in my own home.

If you were the one who posted, perhaps you could have followed along more closely. The site that was referenced includes inflammatory rhetoric directed against people who were not "saved" in the minds of the writer. I posted an example. This is the behavior that many OP's seek to emulate.

Again, no answers to the questions. Go back and reread the first part of this thread and then ask yourself, where did all the "3 steppers" go?

Indeed you are confused, sir.
Ok, Pel..., follow me here, ok? ...

I did not reference any site at all. Let me repeat,I did not reference any website at all.
I simply posted a picture a bunch of religious leaders who are trying to "come together". (This was following up on BOOMM's pic of the pope & the head of the Orthodox church hugging each other.)


Just in case my reference wasn't clear with the first picture, I went ahead and added the Rodney Brown picture with his well-known quote "cant we all just get along?" <---(did you get that???)

Apparently you didn't get it.
Anyway, you decided to follow the URL and went to the site the picture is hosted on (!?)... to read up some stuff on the background of the people who posted the pic on their site... so you could go off on a tangent asking me about why would I want to emulate those religious leaders (??!!) (huh?)

*sigh*

Then even after I come back and clarify, telling you plainly that the whole thing was tongue in cheek... yet you still come back at me with the above post? You're clearly not paying attention, Pel.

Never mind.
Just... never mind.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

Again brother we are out of context here, the ones we are refering too are not open for debate, they are only open to insulting. There is nothing more I would enjoy more than debating scripture but as has been said here already , the ones we refer to do not debate scripture, they quote scholars and give links to other websites. My point is brother, where do you draw the line? I can spend 12 hours debating with the ones we are refering too and get no where or debating with those who are honestly seeking the truth and win over two or three or a family. I think God wants us to use our common sense to a point. There is just no need in engaging in onesided arguments.

Ok, I see your point, and concerning the folks you mention above, I would agree. I misunderstood the context, and that comes from not reading all the posts in the thread.

However, I would really hate to see us throw out the baby with the bathwater........

[scotty]

Originally Posted by crakjak

The OPs view of Acts 2:38 is not the light of the world, Jesus said HE is the light of the world.

This is simple mindedness, do you really think he doesn't know that?

[tv1a]

I'll be the first to admit I don't know the minute details of the pci view, but what I have some serious questions about the details. If possible, I would appreciate an e-mail from someone with a pci persuasion to make the case, w/scriptural references. I would like to see if some of my personal concerns about the pci view are addressed...

[scotty]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am seeing less and less of the traditional Acts 2:38 believers posting here. Who is left that still believes that it takes obeying Acts 2:38 in its completion to be saved??


Is this the beginning of the end for this forum being an Apostolic forum?? Have we gone charismatic?? Is the fat lady singing??

Not sure if you got your answer or not stmatthew.
This thread has turned into what much of the forum has turned into, an argument over who is right and who is wrong. In 26 pages and over 250 post no one has changed their beliefs. I see a lot of the traditional believers have come out and posted support, yet most have only posted once or twice and have not engaged in the argument.
It is frustrating to say the least to try and stand on the Word of God and have some on here who simply bash you for it as being “holier than thou” and others as you have seen yourself in Pelathais and Sam who try to tell you what your “heritage is”. Most all of it is misunderstandings due to post being made before reading all post on the thread. As you have said, our problem is more so with those whose beliefs are so far off from Apostolic it's a self-righteous doctrine on its own (the “we are all saved in the end” guy).
That is where you lose the traditionalist is when we open a thread of debate within our own belief that gets hijacked by those who wish to argue their doctrine. Maybe it is time to simply straighten up the clutter and put it all in its place. Have an area in the forum where the Apostolic faith can be debated with other faiths. Have another area where the Apostolic beliefs can debate amongst themselves and policed so that it won't be hijacked by those who have no other goal than to discredit our doctrine. Either way someone should decide whether or not the doctrine on the welcome page is to be honored or not.

[LadyChocolate]

Originally Posted by LordChocolate

Acts 2:38 to the bone. You will go to hell without it. You cannot be saved in this day and time without it. Belief in any other is another gospel. No acts 2:38, no heaven. PERIOD!! EXCLAMATION POINT!!!

I am with this guy! That's right myLordchocolate! ACTS 2:38 all of the way! There is no other way around it.

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by PastorD

So now all forums have to look alike too?

That is one thing I enjoy about AFF in my limited experience. There is some diversity of thought and idea. Of course when there is anonymity people tend to me more vocal about it, but diversity should be celebrated.

In Pentecost we demand every one look alike, talk alike, smell alike, and so on . . .

It is the "penguin" affect. They all look alike, squawk alike, waddle alike, dive into the water alike and at the same time, alike, alike with no challenge to be more than they ever were...just plain tuxedo clad penguins totally unable to do or think outside of the penguin world. Boundaries of what is acceptable are drawn. Over time, those boundaries are drawn in ever more tighter demanding even more conformity under threat of character assassination.
Aaaaaah...the warm, affectionate climate of brotherly love in the world of religious politics.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by scotty

Not sure if you got your answer or not stmatthew.
This thread has turned into what much of the forum has turned into, an argument over who is right and who is wrong. In 26 pages and over 250 post no one has changed their beliefs. I see a lot of the traditional believers have come out and posted support, yet most have only posted once or twice and have not engaged in the argument.
It is frustrating to say the least to try and stand on the Word of God and have some on here who simply bash you for it as being “holier than thou” and others as you have seen yourself in Pelathais and Sam who try to tell you what your “heritage is”. Most all of it is misunderstandings due to post being made before reading all post on the thread. As you have said, our problem is more so with those whose beliefs are so far off from Apostolic it's a self-righteous doctrine on its own (the “we are all saved in the end” guy).
That is where you lose the traditionalist is when we open a thread of debate within our own belief that gets hijacked by those who wish to argue their doctrine. Maybe it is time to simply straighten up the clutter and put it all in its place. Have an area in the forum where the Apostolic faith can be debated with other faiths. Have another area where the Apostolic beliefs can debate amongst themselves and policed so that it won't be hijacked by those who have no other goal than to discredit our doctrine. Either way someone should decide whether or not the doctrine on the welcome page is to be honored or not.

We already have this in place.