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Old 12-27-2007, 12:11 PM
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Pel, I have said that generally you have been very balanced. your reference here might (without the context of the current atomosphere) have not been seen as crossing that line... .however, you do have to admit that the context is what it is. I believe Scotty's irritiation is with the way some have used the PCI doctrine as a baseball bat. the words "Papist" and "Mormon" and "Baptismal Regenreationilist" (sp) have been tossed about and used in a very unkind and inaccurate manner for the last little while and I think that is the source of Scotty's irritation.

At least he has been here to tell it. others have just checked out.

I personally would like to see them come back. I hope you agree with that.


I do appreciate you and i agree that every side of our history needs to be visible. I have ALWAYS said that the UPCI needs both the PAJC and the PCI view. (And this board does too.)
I appreciate your concerns, Ferd. Perhaps I'm just a focal point for some frustrations. But going back just in this thread we see jeering from "3 Steppers" that is unseemly at best. I take it with a grain of salt and try to imagine that folks are just having fun. But others might be coming to the board with their own hurts and be really put off by it.

There is really a large audience that would love to have a board to slap high fives while belittling "trinnies" and those "compromisers" and "liberals." They would really thrive in an environement where they were never challenged. When you do challenge their assertions, suddenly they are supposed to be seen as remarkably "sensitive" and caring individuals who should always remain above criticism.

One minute they're "rough and ready" and the next they're fragile and delicate. Not everyone can ride that kind of emotional roller coaster. Most people don't even want to watch. Yet, from my experience, this would seem to characterize much of the OP movement for at least the length of my life time. We're out there ready to "bust heads" one moment, then when we get our feelings hurt we want everyone to understand that we're really just a bunch of pussycats.

Personally I don't think of myself as a part of any party or group here. In one thread recently I saw a "conservative" poster who is known for being a bit cranky being disparaged as "whiny." Whatever else his temperment may have been, "whiny" just didn't seem to fit at all and I took up for him.

We can and should be respectful at all times. And yet we should also remember that the fine print on our ISP Users Agreement states that this Internet connection exists for "entertainment purposes only." People will inevitably come barreling into a public forum and over turn tables merely for "entertainment purposes."

I sense that there may be some end-of-the-year soul searching behind this thread. That's always going to come up at the end of every year, and often at any date along the way! If there are those who wish to have the "all trinnies are lost" kind of board and not have to put up with me asking about the "Apostolic heritage," then fine. I don't own or possess anything here. In the end I must confess that whatever else I may get from the fellowship, this is really only for "entertainment purposes" as well.
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:18 PM
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From what you wrote (and I haven't read the latest in this thread) I take it you are saying the Holy Ghost has to be inside of a person to work in any way upon that person's heart.

Can't the Holy Spirit work on the outside of a person before they are saved? He did with me.
Mizpeh.....

I'm not sure that God can work on us in any manner that doesn't affect us inwardly and result in change if we allow Him to have His way.

That's the short answer. I typed out a longer one but I'll let this suffice for now.

Except to say ..... ..... that it's very important to remember that there are many different works/operations of the Spirit of God! They don't all happen at one and the same time.

And to also quickly add ..... ..... that we're either walking in light or in darkness. It's one or the other. There is no "half born" position. You're either born again spiritually or you ain't.

Judging by the huge change that takes place in most people's lives upon conversion ....... judging by the spiritual transformation that happens ...... we can't say there wasn't an inward work of the Holy Spirit prior to speaking in tongues.

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Old 12-27-2007, 12:20 PM
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I appreciate your concerns, Ferd. Perhaps I'm just a focal point for some frustrations. But going back just in this thread we see jeering from "3 Steppers" that is unseemly at best. I take it with a grain of salt and try to imagine that folks are just having fun. But others might be coming to the board with their own hurts and be really put off by it.

There is really a large audience that would love to have a board to slap high fives while belittling "trinnies" and those "compromisers" and "liberals." They would really thrive in an environement where they were never challenged. When you do challenge their assertions, suddenly they are supposed to be seen as remarkably "sensitive" and caring individuals who should always remain above criticism.

One minute they're "rough and ready" and the next they're fragile and delicate. Not everyone can ride that kind of emotional roller coaster. Most people don't even want to watch. Yet, from my experience, this would seem to characterize much of the OP movement for at least the length of my life time. We're out there ready to "bust heads" one moment, then when we get our feelings hurt we want everyone to understand that we're really just a bunch of pussycats.

Personally I don't think of myself as a part of any party of group here. In one thread recently I saw a "conservative" poster who is known for being a bit cranky being disparaged as "whiny." Whatever else his temperment may have been, "whiny" just didn't seem to fit at all and I took up for him.

We can and should be respectful at all times. And yet we should also remember that the fine print on our ISP Users Agreement states that this Internet connection exists for "entertainment purposes only." People will inevitably come barreling into a public forum and over turn tables merely for "entertainment purposes."

I sense that there may be some end-of-the-year soul searching behind this thread. That's always going to come up at the end of every year, and often at any date along the way! If there are those who wish to have the "all trinnies are lost" kind of board and not have to put up with me asking about the "Apostolic heritage," then fine. I don't own or possess anything here. In the end I must confess that whatever else I may get from the fellowship, this is really only for "entertainment purposes" as well.
You and I arent far apart on how we think things ought to be. i have taken issue with conservitives when they got too strong against the people they disagreed with here.

but right now, there are some on your side that have gotten too strong against the people they disagreed with.

The proof is in the make up of the board...... I think it is a shame that Elder Epley has stopped posting. is this a result of the current state of the board???
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:21 PM
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A person can't come to God without a drawing of The Holy Spirit so we can say that every aspect of our Christian experience has influence and involvement from The Holy Ghost.
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Felicity, I would like to know what the difference is between being baptized in the Spirit with the evidence of tongues if, as most PCI's claim, one receives the Spirit upon faith and repentance? What did your pastors tell you?
The difference is spiritual regeneration vs. Spirit baptism and anointing. Once again, different workings of the Spirit accomplishing different results.

I'm supposed to be packing boxes. I'm gonna get demerits from TB if I don't get to work.

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Old 12-27-2007, 12:22 PM
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A person can't come to God without a drawing of The Holy Spirit so we can say that every aspect of our Christian experience has influence and involvement from The Holy Ghost.
Bingo!
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Hey Sister Felicity how are things going for yall in Canada currently ?
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:26 PM
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Hey Sister Felicity how are things going for yall in Canada currently ?
Um ... "going" would be the operative word here.

We are well! Thanks!
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:33 PM
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You and I arent far apart on how we think things ought to be. i have taken issue with conservitives when they got too strong against the people they disagreed with here.

but right now, there are some on your side that have gotten too strong against the people they disagreed with.

The proof is in the make up of the board...... I think it is a shame that Elder Epley has stopped posting. is this a result of the current state of the board???
I tend be get kind of clueless. I've only just now figured out that someone you appear to be referring to was recently banned. I must have missed the drama... figures. Did it involve "Mormons" and "Papists?"

I also don't remember telling BOOMM that I wanted all of my "favorite" smilies to be changed to a Christmas theme - the day after Christmas! I detect a sinister plot behind this.

Ferd, if you knew my background you would probably shake your head at all the fussing and fighting that I've endured. It's even been the subject of numerous news stories for around 30 years. Since Raven took his "mask" off, maybe I should... sometime. But I'm afraid of hurting others by doing so.

Since it's the end of the year, I'll wait to see if old Cronos devours anymore of his children.
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The difference is spiritual regeneration vs. Spirit baptism and anointing. Once again, different workings of the Spirit accomplishing different results.

I'm supposed to be packing boxes. I'm gonna get demerits from TB if I don't get to work.

Boy, you Canadians really take that "Boxing Day" stuff literally, don't you?
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