Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by pelathais

So you consider me to be a "swine?"

Not if you are taking that comment out of context.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you are seeing yourself as a grasshopper and your rhetorical opponents as giants.

The "Light Doctrine" in its many forms was foundational to the development of Oneness Pentecostalism in the 20th century.

To my knowledge, there is a single poster who promotes Universalism. One.

The "huge segment" who "seem to totally abandon the requirement for Baptism in both Water and Spirit" is neither huge nor have any of them "totally abandoned" anything that you say they have.

This is my perception.

Bump. In other words, where is this "huge segement" that is cruelly tearing down Apostolic doctrine? Just read this thread and you will see where the taunting and blustering comes from.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Reread the first sentence.

So? Is "taking us off topic" a sin?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I have never seen or known of any Apostolic church instructing people on "the art of speaking in tongues". I cant say it's never happened. But if you've been in the UPC 40+ years as you say, you already know that that would be an aberration, and not normal UPC teaching or practice.

How long have you been in Apostolic churches? I can't believe you have never seen that before.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

Not if you are taking that comment out of context.

So if I am taking the comment in context, which is generally the preferred approach, I am a "swine" to you?

Because I take your comments in context I am a "swine."

[Sam]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Me too.

... Theres a lot of good stuff to be found here, but unfortunately the whole PCI/PAJC debate has a a way of casting a really negative cloud over the whole site in general, which is unfortunate.

Why does there have to be a PCI/PAJC debate?
Why not just acknowledge the fact that there are differences of opinion among Apostolics on many things, including the justification/salvation/regeneration experience?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by pelathais

So if I am taking the comment in context, which is generally the preferred approach, I am a "swine" to you?

Because I take your comments in context I am a "swine."

What is the correct context in scripture?

Are you just itching to report a post where someone allegedly calls you a swine?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

How long have you been in Apostolic churches? I can't believe you have never seen that before.

Renda, I have heard of it but not seen it.

I have been fortunate to be around churches where that kind of stupid nonsense wasn't ever tolerated.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by pelathais

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It is a historical fact the Apostolic Faith movement began at the turn of the last century (~1900 A.D.). Why are those who follow the beliefs and practices of the Apostolic Faith movement called "pseudoApostolics?"

Out of hodgepodge of doctrinal beliefs in the early 1900's came the PAW, PAJC, and PCI, as well as other groups. So I'm not sure its a good idea to trace your belief system back to that period of time when the doctrinal lines were yet not as clearly defined as they now are.

I notice that so many PCI folk like to appeal to early 20th century "history" for reference concerning what the Apostolic Faith movement believed. Keep in mind that even some who used the term Apostolic Faith weren't even oneness.
William Seymour (Trinitarian) published a newspaper called Apostolic Faith,

...and Charles Parham (Trinitarian) is said to have led " the midwestern Apostolic Faith movement, the original name of the Pentecostal movement" according to the Assemblies of God.

The true Apostolic Faith movement began with the 1st century Jerusalem church. I think its better to use them for reference, rather than the early 20th century believers.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Bump. In other words, where is this "huge segement" that is cruelly tearing down Apostolic doctrine? Just read this thread and you will see where the taunting and blustering comes from.

Ahhh, this is the crux of the matter. This is the response to the conservative crowd. All a conservative person does is taunt and bluster around.

NOW we all get it. Thanks.