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12-27-2007, 08:45 PM
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[never mind. I'll just keep my mouth shut]
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Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. | Etienne de la Boetie
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Last edited by nathan_slatter; 12-27-2007 at 08:49 PM.
Reason: Not worth the effort nor the angst...
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12-27-2007, 08:49 PM
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**never mind**
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Good answer! 
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12-27-2007, 08:49 PM
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Neckstadt's experiences are the norm rather than the exception.
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Do you really take what happenned in that church as a cross section of the whole of the UPC?
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
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12-27-2007, 08:51 PM
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Nah -- it isn't a good one but it is probably the best one. After all, I'm just a heretic splitting the gates of hell wide open. BTW -- what happened to your site? I went there a few days back and it was broke.
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Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break into pieces. | Etienne de la Boetie
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12-27-2007, 08:57 PM
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Communion at AFF
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Jekyl, because this obviously came well before the last warning I am going to reverse it. But still, let this be a warning to everyone to tone down the insults, especially the name calling,
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Thank you. Imagine coming back from a nice, delicious, calm dinner to that...
I apologize to all the farm animals I insulted...okay, just joking again.
I apologize for the unkind remarks I have made to all who are offended. So, go and be offended no more 
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"Some may call me foolish, some may call me odd; but I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man than a fool in the eyes of God..."
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12-27-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by tv1a
Neckstadt's experiences are the norm rather than the exception.
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I say that in 30 years I am very glad I have not met those type of churches.
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12-27-2007, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind
Twice you almost rant about Dr Marvin Arnold's work. Can you show the errors of this book?
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Is this really a new topic for you? Arnold's book has been put down on these boards for longer than I've been around. Adino worked with Brother Arnold and assisted his research and has shared many insights.
Just from the top of my head:
He states that "Montanist were catagorized as Sabellians." But in reality Tertullian was a Montanist and wrote against Sabellianism. How could the Montanists be "Sabellians?" I sat in a room with you when a professor at UGST compared the Montanists to AoG. Do you remember that? Montanist were never Oneness.
Arnold states "Manichaenism revered Pentecost, Jesus name." He groups them with "other Oneness bodies" including the Bogomils. Manichaenism and Bogomils were both dualists. The didn't even believe that Jesus Christ had a physical body and they believed that the devil was a god on par with the God of Israel.
Arnold states that the Bogomils, Albigensians, Cathari and many other medieval groups practiced Acts 2:38 salvation. But, he tells us, Rome lied about it and burned all of their books. None of that is true. In fact Google will take you to Albigensians texts. Read them for yourself and see if you would have fit in with their beliefs.
He states that "the Cathari - were people of the true Christian Church..." This "true church" forbade its people to marry or to consumate a marriage. They were mostly vegetarians and they believed that Jehovah was the "evil" god who created the material world but that the "son of light" had come to save us all from Jehovah/Yahweh. Is that what you preach?
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12-27-2007, 09:04 PM
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Strange in a Strange Land...
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I am sick of being called Mormon, papist, sacrementalist and the like by men who have no love for sound doctrine. Men who only desire to destroy. Men who have an insidious agenda.
Look, we can argue standards all day long, but I got tired of being castigated and gang-tackled by this bunch of heretical hyenas.
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I resemble that remark...lol. I do love you PP even though I do not agree with you on every step. I think that we all believe sound doctrine-in our own minds. We all love what we stand for. We all stand on the word, but we all interpret it differently don't we? I personally do not care if someone goes from a 3-stepper to a 1-stepper or the other way around. I honestly would fellowship either side if I were on the other. Because to me, and this is only me saying this, that alot of the 1-steppers I have seen actually have more baptisims and HGB than some 3 steppers, so the job is getting done. I know you disagree and that is fine. I respect you as much as I do anyone else even though we are not on the same page.
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12-27-2007, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I read most of this thread and found there is very little true value in it.
As a top-ten poster here, I think I have the right to say what others have tried to say - and have not been able to.
First, there is a group of posters who are ANTI-APOSTOLIC PENTECOSTAL that are here to convert those of us who believe in the necessity of Jesus-name baptism and the Oneness of God. Their desire is to blend Oneness/Trinitarian doctrine into unrecognizable, unimportant mush.
IMO, tolerance is our enemy here. I believe those who teach and push trinitarianism as a viable doctrinal belief - while knowing all the while it is not - are in danger of Hell-fire. I believe those who would abort the new birth process - by telling lost souls that mere belief is enough - are in danger of Hell-fire.
These people are the worst sort of representatives of what true Oneness Pentecostal doctrine is about.
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I am sick of being called Mormon, papist, sacrementalist and the like by men who have no love for sound doctrine. Men who only desire to destroy. Men who have an insidious agenda.
Look, we can argue standards all day long, but I got tired of being castigated and gang-tackled by this bunch of heretical hyenas.
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Also, there is no way any trinitarian site/forum would have been as lenient as AFF has been. IMO admin needs to rein this junk in.
We need to make up our minds. Are we Oneness Pentecostal or not?
And the idea that this alternative group is somehow "Apostolic" is laughable.
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
PP - give it up - - why don't you just tell us what you really think!
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This is interesting...
And at risk of more infractions or banning...I won't say what I really think. I mean, I tried, but...oh, never mind.
I applaud PP for having more tact than I did in this thread and for saying what others have been trying to say to no avail.
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12-27-2007, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
I resemble that remark...lol. I do love you PP even though I do not agree with you on every step. I think that we all believe sound doctrine-in our own minds. We all love what we stand for. We all stand on the word, but we all interpret it differently don't we? I personally do not care if someone goes from a 3-stepper to a 1-stepper or the other way around. I honestly would fellowship either side if I were on the other. Because to me, and this is only me saying this, that alot of the 1-steppers I have seen actually have more baptisims and HGB than some 3 steppers, so the job is getting done. I know you disagree and that is fine. I respect you as much as I do anyone else even though we are not on the same page.
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And you know what JT?
I would never bunch you with that group.
We may disagree, but I know we respect each other. That is not always the case around here.
Love you too, man!
 Here's a holy kiss! Purely biblical, of course. LOL
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