Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (1-steppers)??: Members only

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I don't mind that he is Anglican. I cannot see how that would effect his research in the least. Do Anglicans have a better or worse track record than Old Time Pentecostals in producing scholarly works?

It doesn't help the guy when his research shows a not so positive light on the more conservative element and refutes their claims...

It's the whole "It ain't smoke unless it's from our chimney" syndrome (pun intended just for you, bro!).

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Thad

Going from Pentecostal to Anglican doesn't sound like digressing to you??
come on steve you ought to know better.
and anglicans now marry men with men one of their priest is that Robinson guy,he's from Vermont I believe

Digressing? Noone said anything about Fudge's spiritual condition. I simply would ask, Does current membership in any particular denomination discredit a scholarly work?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Thad

now that is a shock- of course i never got into all this fuss over Fudge like you all did but I am also shocked that so many people defend him to the death KNOWING that he is Anglican!!! Is that what leaving Pentecost brings you to ??? that is a serious question.

I would defend his book, but "to the death?" It might not be that important.

Still, the only error that really sticks out was his failure to pick up on the nuances of S.G. Norris' theology. Other than that, it was a pretty fair telling of UPC history from the perspective of his protagonists. That's what he set out to do, and he did it.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

It doesn't help the guy when his research shows a not so positive light on the more conservative element and refutes their claims...

It's the whole "It ain't smoke unless it's from our chimney" syndrome (pun intended just for you, bro!).

The book does show the authors personal opinion a bit - but I expect no less. The point concerning the bulk of the books info remains though. It is a valueable asset to any Pentecostal library.



Old Chimney Sweeps never die... they just "go up in smoke".

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by pelathais

If I could disrupt the thread to ask this question again:

Do we know for a fact that Fudge is an "Anglican." I believe that you referred to him as an "Anglican priest" once before. Is this an accurate why to refer to the guy- do we have any "proof."

For me, I don't so much care what denomination he holds to, if any. I'm just interested in being accurate. He is accurately an "Anglican?"

*** Note: I just saw your post "He told me..." Can you elaborate?

I spoke with him on the phone about his book and also I emailed him and that is what he told me.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I would defend his book, but "to the death?" It might not be that important.

Still, the only error that really sticks out was his failure to pick up on the nuances of S.G. Norris' theology. Other than that, it was a pretty fair telling of UPC history from the perspective of his protagonists. That's what he set out to do, and he did it.

Concerning what? the "light doctrines" he embraced?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

The book does show the authors personal opinion a bit - but I expect no less. The point concerning the bulk of the books info remains though. It is a valueable asset to any Pentecostal library.



Old Chimney Sweeps never die... they just "go up in smoke".

It certainly is I bought over 25 of them and gave them to preachers. I have read it more than once and enjoyed it. However I refuse to allow an Anglican to label me. That was my point.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Concerning what? the "light doctrines" he embraced?

Yes. Fudge had Norris in what Fudge called the "Water & Spirit" pidgeon hole. He quoted Norris's "greasy grace" statement several times.

Yet, Norris' most famous contribution to the OP movement outside of his classroom work was his "Where are the Dead?" chart. This chart clearly shows a "Light Doctrine" point of view. Fudge seems to have missed that aspect of Norris's theology entirely.

This is an admittedly minor point on my part. Just a small criticism. Other than that the book was pretty good. Just read how complimentary he is toward Leonard Westberg; and Westberg is supposed to be the "bad guy!"

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I spoke with him on the phone about his book and also I emailed him and that is what he told me.

I'd love to see that...

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Yes. Fudge had Norris in what Fudge called the "Water & Spirit" pidgeon hole. He quoted Norris's "greasy grace" statement several times.

Yet, Norris' most famous contribution to the OP movement outside of his classroom work was his "Where are the Dead?" chart. This chart clearly shows a "Light Doctrine" point of view. Fudge seems to have missed that aspect of Norris's theology entirely.

This is an admittedly minor point on my part. Just a small criticism. Other than that the book was pretty good. Just read how complimentary he is toward Leonard Westberg; and Westberg is supposed to be the "bad guy!"

I did notice that too. At first I thought me info may be wrong, but I went back and checked some quotes from a symposium... It did not make sense to me since I ended up with several sources for SG's quotes. I wonder has anyone pointed this out to Fudge??