Yes sir I know, I just used you to make a point, lol. sorry
But I want you to realize what I am saying because I see alot of post by you that willfully assumes one (especially 3 stepper or UPC) leaves out the grace or cross from Acts 2-38 when that is not always true. I am sad that you do that when your post are so beautiful and Godsend.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Exactly Bro. Ferd,
Man must have the "one-stepper belief" to be saved, yet if that same man has that then he will/must obey Act 2-38.
You can not be saved with just one or the other. You must have both.
Its like just because I may have or mention Acts 2-38 on my sig or a post then I get attacked for being all inclusive to that. Yet If I or anyone else on here has Saved by Grace or the Cross on their sig or post they get an amen!!!!
I don't think the 3 steppers are the ones being exclusive here. No 3 stepper has denied being saved by the cross, Acts 2-38 is simply the steps required to practice that belief.
I would also like to point out that when Paul came upon some "believers" he asked them 2 questions
1: do you have the Holy Ghost
2: have you been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Belief was already present. Paul didnt shake their hands, call them brothers and depart.
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I would also like to point out that when Paul came upon some "believers" he asked them 2 questions
1: do you have the Holy Ghost
2: have you been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Belief was already present. Paul didnt shake their hands, call them brothers and depart.
PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
I would also like to point out that when Paul came upon some "believers" he asked them 2 questions
1: do you have the Holy Ghost
2: have you been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Belief was already present. Paul didnt shake their hands, call them brothers and depart.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
ahem ... he does ask about the Holy Ghost
but does Acts 19 say if they had been baptized in the right formula ????
I think you need to examine the passage you referred to carefully.
One Paul's question to John's was not unto what proper name were you baptized? ... but rather unto what were you baptized? Who had they identified with when they were baptized. There baptism was not in obedience to Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Furthermore, Jesus had been baptize under John's baptism also. Does this invalidate his baptism?
The key to Paul's message is telling these disciples that they were believe on Him ... the possesor of the Name ... and come after Him ... Christ Jesus.
They had identified in their baptism unto the repentance that John preached but had not believed on the death and resurrection Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins.
When they believed they then identified themselves with name/person of Jesus Christ, our Savior.
I would also like to point out that when Paul came upon some "believers" he asked them 2 questions
1: do you have the Holy Ghost
2: have you been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Belief was already present. Paul didnt shake their hands, call them brothers and depart.
Neither did he castigate them and accuse them of collusion with the devil.
For why else would they not have been baptized correctly and filled with the Holy Ghost? Obviously Paul was setting foot into a den of devils, a stronghold of Satan and every foul and evil work.
Just by being there Paul was putting himself "under question." He should have separated himself from these Gospel wannabes. Peter and James were correct for later questioning Paul's association with this Babylonish coven.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
ahem ... he does ask about the Holy Ghost
but does Acts 19 say if they had been baptized in the right formula ????
I think you need to examine the passage you referred to carefully.
One Paul's question to John's was not unto what proper name were you baptized? ... but rather unto what were you baptized? Who had they identified with when they were baptized. There baptism was not in obedience to Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Furthermore, Jesus had been baptize under John's baptism also. Does this invalidate his baptism?
The key to Paul's message is telling these disciples that they were believe on Him ... the possesor of the Name ... and come after Him ... Christ Jesus.
They had identified in their baptism unto the repentance that John preached but had not believed on the death and resurrection Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins.
When they believed they then identified themselves with name/person of Jesus Christ, our Savior.
Is it some innate need to always be right Daniel? does that account for your verbosity and the above correction?
what ever the exacitude of Pauls actions. it is inarguable that Paul found believers and rebaptized them and made sure they had the Holy Ghost.
I dont care one iota, what his reasons were, nor do I care for some innane argument about the status of thier souls before the encounter with Paul (they had been baptized unto repentance)....
what is important is, he did not leave them in their brotherly state of "belief"
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