Pelathias, would it be correct to characterize your view of Jesus being God as Papist? BTW Papist is a derogatory term
pa·pist (pā'pĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a Roman Catholic.
Just because two groups hold a similar views does not make one group comparative to the other. I have heard such arguments from Baptists...yes and Atheists and pagans. I have been called a worshiper of Mithra because someone chose to note some similarities. I find papal and mormon comparisons VERY insulting and I consider that to be the intent when someone draws that comparison.
However I have to say to the SEs and others here that if you don't like being called Papal or Mormon then you should not do the same.
I think Brother Epley dealt with Pels post very well. in context Pelathias comment wasnt over the line....wrong, but not over the line.
There is a difference between speaking to specific doctrinal position (what SE and Pel did in context) and making a blanket charge like we have seen around here for a while.
Also Pelathais' comment was within the context of this thread in particular dealing with those terms.
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I think Brother Epley dealt with Pels post very well. in context Pelathias comment wasnt over the line....wrong, but not over the line.
There is a difference between speaking to specific doctrinal position (what SE and Pel did in context) and making a blanket charge like we have seen around here for a while.
Also Pelathais' comment was within the context of this thread in particular dealing with those terms.
I was dealing more with what has been happening overall and I sort of thought Pel was saying that TIC. However it's been reaching a boiling point and I think we all need to back off.
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Neckstadt, I am sorry to see you make these sort of accusations against me.
I don't understand the real grace of God?
Tell me, ALL OF YOU, please, why is it so important to you that we tear down Acts 2:38 as the proper response to the Gospel? I worry about men who consider themselves pastors and teachers - supposedly knowing the Word - who purposefully lead people into easy believism while at the same time saying they are still Pentecostal, Apostolic, Oneness and the like.
Whta is the end game here?
Here we are again.
Papists, Mormons, Sacrementalists, we don't understand the grace of God.
All because we believe Acts 2:38 is the proper response to the Gospel?
Those are extremely heavy accusations.
I will not respond in kind Neckstadt, but I am very embarrassed for you.
Embarrassed that you have fallen prey to all of this bunk.
I would like to explain why I find these terms as they have been used here so overtly offensive.
the Papist comment is a comparison to the church that Apostolics (and many mainstream Protestants) view as the Mother Harlot of Revelations. Comparing Apostolic doctrine to that is a charge of absolute heresy or blasphemy
Mormons created their own Bible in direct violation to the actual BIBLE. Calling Apostolics Mormons, is carrying the charge that we have our own bible (which has been stated before) to its most offensive conclusion. Paul said let them be anathema.
These are beyond the pale and speak of utter depravity.
Not long back I made a statement about some of these churches that are PCI as no different than Methodist. CC1 took me to task. He was right. I repented.
Going over the line is one thing. Making a living, living over the line is vastly different.
On a much more important note, please pray for me, my son is watching Cinderella.
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I find it sad that some think we believe Acts 2:38 is the be all end all as if Peter had not preached anything prior to saying the words found in Acts 2:38. As if we ignore the gospel Peter taught in Acts 2 and eliminate the grace of God and faith in the cross of Jesus Christ.
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I was dealing more with what has been happening overall and I sort of thought Pel was saying that TIC. However it's been reaching a boiling point and I think we all need to back off.
and a find job you do at keeping things in line my friend.
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One might wonder why I actually care to engage in this discussion. In the first place it has been a great one…until Daniel decided I needed to get schooled on Acts 19 anyway.
More importantly I care because of something that happened a couple of weeks ago. Some folks at our church left. Now that happens from time to time. I get that. Ususally it doesn’t bother me at all. The last time someone left my pastor and I had a discussion about it. He (as was his way as a loving Sheppard) was upset and saddened by the departure. I told him rather abruptly they were leaving when they got to us!
That was true. They left some other church that wasn’t right and began to walk with us until they figured out what areas we needed to tighten up in. When pastor would not bend to their will, they left for greener pastures. No skin off my nose. We were really better for it.
But this time was different. This time, the father was a man who was a board member, the “titled” assistant to the pastor (although not on staff) and had held a license with the UPCI for 20 years before turning them in.
Several years ago he turned them in because he and his wife no longer believed in standards as taught by the UPCI. Still they walked with us… until a few weeks ago.
They left. They decided our doctrine was all wrong. Their destination? Well, they haven’t decided. They are deciding between 2. There is a really big non-denominational church they like. Kind of a charismatic feel. The other is the local Baptist church in their neighborhood.
There you have it. The wife was raised with an OP background. The husband well versed in scripture. Over the last 3 to 4 years, they got smarter than us and have decided to join some local Trinitarian church and really don’t care of the Holy Ghost shows up in the place or not.
So. There you have it. To me, this discussion means something. Being Pentecostal means something. I spent years working with these folks kids. Now what? I am sick and angry. Some of you may say its ok, they will be saved…yadda yadda.. what ever. They have WALKED AWAY from truth. I don’t care what you believe. I don’t care you say I am harsh. I don’t care. These folks have walked away and are raising their kids AWAY from truth. I love these people. Don’t think I don’t. I would be at their house in 15 minutes if they called and needed me, with no strings attached. But I am heart sick. DOCTRINE MEANS SOMETHING.
Ferd, "having ears they will not hear."
The idea that we all believe the necessity of obedience to Acts 2:38 is laughable.
These folks can say they believe it, but their constant derision at it tells the real truth of their motives and beliefs.
You are wasting your time.
I find it interesting that these men are more interested in converting Sprit-filled, Jesus' name baptized posters than the rest of the world of Christendom who have never experienced the power of a Pentecostal experience.
I find it sad that some think we believe Acts 2:38 is the be all end all as if Peter had not preached anything prior to saying the words found in Acts 2:38. As if we ignore the gospel Peter taught in Acts 2 and eliminate the grace of God and faith in the cross of Jesus Christ.
You are so right. It is very sad.
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