Pelathias, would it be correct to characterize your view of Jesus being God as Papist? BTW Papist is a derogatory term
pa·pist (pā'pĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a Roman Catholic.
Just because two groups hold a similar views does not make one group comparative to the other. I have heard such arguments from Baptists...yes and Atheists and pagans. I have been called a worshiper of Mithra because someone chose to note some similarities. I find papal and mormon comparisons VERY insulting and I consider that to be the intent when someone draws that comparison.
However I have to say to the SEs and others here that if you don't like being called Papal or Mormon then you should not do the same.
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Originally Posted by pelathais
That was really my point. As I said before, I enjoy it when the conversation is unafraid to look at the comparisons and contrasts with other views.
Right now I am devotee of Mr. Dave Lennox because there's a really cold wind outside.
Praxeas only gave you the term as a noun ... here is it's definition as an adjective.
Adj.1.papist - of or relating to or supporting Roman Catholicism; "the Roman Catholic Church"
I believe we all can agree that one should obey Acts 2:38.
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Praxeas only gave you the term as a noun ... here is it's definition as an adjective.
Adj.1.papist - of or relating to or supporting Roman Catholicism; "the Roman Catholic Church"
A case of convenient extrapolation.
The word is used even as an adjective in derogatory terms. I have seen protestants do this to Roman catholics for years. No matter how you try to suger coat it, it was intended as an insult.
pa·pist /ˈpeɪpɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-pist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Usually Disparaging.
–noun
1.a Roman Catholic.
–adjective
pa·pist (pā'pĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a Roman Catholic.
papist
1534, "adherent of the Pope," from M.Fr. papiste, from papa "Pope," from Church L. papa
papist adjective1. of or relating to or supporting Romanism; "the Roman Catholic Church" [syn: Roman] noun1. an offensive term for Roman Catholics; originally, a Roman Catholic who was a strong advocate of the papacy
It's absurd to say someone is papist or supportive of Romanism based on a single similarity that is not even an exact similarity. There are many differences between what the RCC teaches on baptism and what some OPs do. The RCC really does believe the power is fully and totally in the act of baptism, the water being holy and some power the priests have as they believe they can baptize unbelievers like infants into salvation.
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
Yes, but when has the term "Papist" ever been endearing to any Protestant?
It is normally used as an insult.
Stop launching flaming arrows into the compound. They are never viewed as friendly.
Can you see, however, how that our articulation of "baptism for the remission of sins" coincides with similar language that is used by Roman Catholic theologians? We do have something in common with them. That's not a "flaming arrow," it's a point of contact and possibly an open door to discuss baptism in Jesus name with a Roman Catholic.
The word is used even as an adjective in derogatory terms. I have seen protestants do this to Roman catholics for years. No matter how you try to suger coat it, it was intended as an insult.
pa·pist /ˈpeɪpɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pey-pist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation Usually Disparaging.
–noun
1.a Roman Catholic.
–adjective
pa·pist (pā'pĭst) Pronunciation Key
n. Offensive Used as a disparaging term for a Roman Catholic.
papist
1534, "adherent of the Pope," from M.Fr. papiste, from papa "Pope," from Church L. papa
papist adjective1. of or relating to or supporting Romanism; "the Roman Catholic Church" [syn: Roman] noun1. an offensive term for Roman Catholics; originally, a Roman Catholic who was a strong advocate of the papacy
It's absurd to say someone is papist or supportive of Romanism based on a single similarity that is not even an exact similarity. There are many differences between what the RCC teaches on baptism and what some OPs do. The RCC really does believe the power is fully and totally in the act of baptism, the water being holy and some power the priests have as they believe they can baptize unbelievers like infants into salvation.
Would it be just as absurd to compare Oneness Pentecostals that believe salvation begins at repentance ..... w/ being a Baptist cessationist .... or a proponent of Pearson's heretical Universal salvation doctrine ... or belief in "easy believism" .... or even as J. Miller suggested today ... anathema???
Just as disparaging ... just as pejorative in motive.
As Pelathais said ... it should be taken w/ a grain of salt or the rhetoric should cease on both sides.
BTW ... good attempt at obfuscating again ... each time it's defined as noun it is derogatory ... the adjective definition ... has a different connotation. Read the definitions you provided carefully.
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