Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)?? - Page 103

Thad · #**1021** 01-01-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I don't think this ever got answered, so I am reposting it??

"If one were to ask specifically what a "one stepper" Apostolic believes regarding salvation, how would one explain it?"

Everyone already knows the Answer to that Matt. surely Aquila does too i'm sure.

The one steppers believe you only have to accept Jesus christ as your personal savior. we've all heard the sinner's prayer -no?

Brother Price · #**1022** 01-01-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I don't think this ever got answered, so I am reposting it??

"If one were to ask specifically what a "one stepper" Apostolic believes regarding salvation, how would one explain it?"

The scriptures declare in Acts 3 to repent and be converted. In Romans 10, Paul declares that if we confess and believe. 1John says if we confess our sins, He will forgive us our sins.

Believe, repent, confess. (Hey, I'm a three stepper!!!)

stmatthew · #**1023** 01-01-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad

Everyone already knows the Answer to that Matt. surely Aquila does too i'm sure.

The one steppers believe you only have to accept Jesus christ as your personal savior. we've all heard the sinner's prayer -no?

From what I am gathering, some do not believe that one has to do anything other than believe in Jesus. Of Course this stops being only of grace, because I could then boast that it was my "believing" in Jesus that saved me, and not his work on the cross.

stmatthew · #**1024** 01-01-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Price

The scriptures declare in Acts 3 to repent and be converted. In Romans 10, Paul declares that if we confess and believe. 1John says if we confess our sins, He will forgive us our sins.

Believe, repent, confess. (Hey, I'm a three stepper!!!)

Then it is no more of Grace Alone, because you are adding my work of repentance into it. Jesus is not enough. I have to repent.

mizpeh · #**1025** 01-01-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

From what I am gathering, some do not believe that one has to do anything other than believe in Jesus. Of Course this stops being only of grace, because I could then boast that it was my "believing" in Jesus that saved me, and not his work on the cross.

mizpeh · #**1026** 01-01-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Then it is no more of Grace Alone, because you are adding my work of repentance into it. Jesus is not enough. I have to repent.

pelathais · #**1027** 01-01-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

From what I am gathering, some do not believe that one has to do anything other than believe in Jesus. Of Course this stops being only of grace, because I could then boast that it was my "believing" in Jesus that saved me, and not his work on the cross.

I know that it's not in your temperament to ever boast, St Matt.

The discussion has a bit of complexity that doesn't always get articulated. The act of your believing is really a fruit of the workings of the Holy Spirit in your heart. In fact it can be said that you are not even making a choice in the matter. The choice was made for you before you were ever born when God selected you for salvation from before the foundation of the world.

Focusing upon God's gracious selection of your wretched sinful self, we can see that all of the events of human history actually unfolded as they did just to highlight that moment when you first received forgiveness of sin.

Of course you repented, of course you were baptized properly, of course you, by the power and grace of God, live an overcoming life. All of these things simply flow from that first act of grace that occurred before you could ever do right or wrong.

You see the "one step" was the step God Almighty took Himself when He chose you to be a part of His kingdom. And He made that choice before the foundation of the world!

stmatthew · #**1028** 01-01-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I know that it's not in your temperament to ever boast, St Matt.

The discussion has a bit of complexity that doesn't always get articulated. The act of your believing is really a fruit of the workings of the Holy Spirit in your heart. In fact it can be said that you are not even making a choice in the matter. The choice was made for you before you were ever born when God selected you for salvation from before the foundation of the world.

Focusing upon God's gracious selection of your wretched sinful self, we can see that all of the events of human history actually unfolded as they did just to highlight that moment when you first received forgiveness of sin.

Of course you repented, of course you were baptized properly, of course you, by the power and grace of God, live an overcoming life. All of these things simply flow from that first act of grace that occurred before you could ever do right or wrong.

You see the "one step" was the step God Almighty took Himself when He chose you to be a part of His kingdom. And He made that choice before the foundation of the world!

Unless you believe in predestination, then I had a say in whether or not I decided to follow the leading of the spirit within me.

pelathais · #**1029** 01-01-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Unless you believe in predestination, then I had a say in whether or not I decided to follow the leading of the spirit within me.

Did Esau and Jacob have "any say" in the pronouncements of Genesis 25:23?

It's a coin with two sides: determinism and free will. Due to our human limitations we can NOT see both sides of the coin at the same time, thus it is a fundamental paradox.

I would guess that you do believe in "predestination" when it suits you. Do you believe that Revelation 20:10 is inevitable, or could it work out in some other way?

Brother Price · #**1030** 01-01-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Then it is no more of Grace Alone, because you are adding my work of repentance into it. Jesus is not enough. I have to repent.

StMatthew, this is the third time I have tried to post something to respond to this quote. What I found out is that I cannot and stay a member of this forum. I love Christ too much to continuously raise my BP as this does. It is not worth it.

I am beginning to think about a serious, real serious long term self ban from this forum. I feel if I remain here, I will return back to the old hateful, arrogant, self-righteous, paranoid, self-serving, egotist which can turn a bad attitude on a dime. I no longer have it in me to deal with people who attack men instead of doctrine. I cannot become that much of an elitist ever again.

Goodbye. No goodbye thread needed. Love to one and all.