Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan when I asked you about your father being a Papist I was trying to get you to reconsider what you are saying about us. But evidently it did not come out correctly I certainly did not mean to offend or insult you I ask you to forgive me for misspeaking.

Dan's gone- been banned for at least 6mo. or longer/

see thad's tab

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan when I asked you about your father being a Papist I was trying to get you to reconsider what you are saying about us. But evidently it did not come out correctly I certainly did not mean to offend or insult you I ask you to forgive me for misspeaking.

Brother Epley, DA is no longer with us if you haven't heard by now. No details are available (at least from me)

[Aquila]

A woman was dying. She had a series of heart attacks and they continued to stablize her each time her heart stopped. She was connected to so many machines keeping her stable it would have taken a truck to move her and all necessary equipment. These machines were assisting her with breathing, administering doses of medication to assist the heart, medication to thin the blood, etc. Moving her would kill her. She could nod her head and was crying. She could answer simple yes or no questions. She struggled to say one word, with tubes obstructing her ability to properly speak, she said, "...preacher..." The staff began the effort to track down the local chaplain. One of the staff, an Apostolic lay preacher, offers to pray for her while they paged the chaplain. This staff member held her hand and prayed with her that the Lord would hear her prayer, they pled the blood of Jesus over her and prayed with her for God to forgive her of all her sins. They ask that God would comfort her in her time of need and that all fear would be gone. Though she mostly gave weak nods and some gurgled words ("Amen,""Jesus save me,"'Sorry Jesus") she wept with tears streaming down the sides of her face. Shortly after closing the prayer she became unstable, her heart stopped, and they never could recover her.

Unbaptized and unable to "speak in tongues" was she saved? Should the Apostolic (a family member) have just stood by without praying for her?

[Steve Epley]

I took a tank to the home of a 84 year old stroke victim and we baptized him in Jesus name and he recieved the Holy Ghost and died that week. Where there is a will there is a way. It took 4 of us to baptize him but we got it done.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I took a tank to the home of a 84 year old stroke victim and we baptized him in Jesus name and he recieved the Holy Ghost and died that week. Where there is a will there is a way. It took 4 of us to baptize him but we got it done.

What are your thoughts on post #1073?

I think there are occasions when baptism and "speaking in tongues" isn't a likelihood before death.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Aquila

A woman was dying. She had a series of heart attacks and they continued to stablize her each time her heart stopped. She was connected to so many machines keeping her stable it would have taken a truck to move her and all necessary equipment. These machines were assisting her with breathing, administering doses of medication to assist the heart, medication to thin the blood, etc. Moving her would kill her. She could nod her head and was crying. She could answer simple yes or no questions. She struggled to say one word, with tubes obstructing her ability to properly speak, she said, "...preacher..." The staff began the effort to track down the local chaplain. One of the staff, an Apostolic lay preacher, offers to pray for her while they paged the chaplain. This staff member held her hand and prayed with her that the Lord would hear her prayer, heal her; they pled the blood of Jesus over her and prayed with her for God to forgive her of all her sins. They ask that God would comfort her in her time of need and that all fear would be gone. Though she mostly gave weak nods and some gurgled words ("Amen,""Jesus save me,"'Sorry Jesus") she wept with tears streaming down the sides of her face. Shortly after closing the prayer she became unstable, her heart stopped, and they never could recover her.

Unbaptized and unable to "speak in tongues" was she saved?

Was that her first and only opportunity to repent and "come to Jesus"?
Jesus knows and will be the Just Judge!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I believe to be born again you have to be baptized in water and in the Spirit.

Mizpeh, do you think there is any significance to the change in grammar between verse 3 and 5?

Verse three says born again to SEE the kingdom
and first 5 says born of water and Spirit to enter the kingdom.

[Aquila]

I believe that the woman may very well have been saved. However, had she been healed or survived the ordeal she would have to continue to grow in her Christian salvation by being water baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost.

As a brother said above, the point of repentance is a spiritual "conception", she simply lost her life before full maturity.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

The spiritual reasoning among us is quite astonishing something to behold.

Let me ask you, if after you were to chain hoist a dying man down into a whirlpool but it was not quite deep enough and all he had sticking out of the water was the tip of his nose, not fully baptized, would that baptism still count?

There are places in the world, such as in India, that you will NEVER get baptized and would be lucky to get a glass of water poured on you.

The comment about India...what do you mean? THey have water there

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Was that her first and only opportunity to repent and "come to Jesus"?
Jesus knows and will be the Just Judge!

Agreed. But three steppers would count her out of having any Heavenly Hope.