According to 3 Steppers only those alive in the first 3 centuries and those who have lived in the 20th century have been saved. As demonstrated earlier in this thread history regarding anyone believing this truth down through the ages is highly questionable.
It's one thing to say there was always a significant remnant of "Apostolic" adherants. It's another to say there was no one who believed and obeyed in the same manner we do.
I will simply say that I am not responsible for what God does in his mercy. I am responsible for what I see in the written Word of God. What I see in the Word is the essentiality and salvific effect of Baptism in Jesus Name. I feel personal responsibility to preach and teach the same. What Jesus does in mercy... i.e. the numerous scenarios portrayed of deathbed repentance and an inability to reach water or a lack of time to be filled with the Holy Ghost... I am not responsible for. I can, however, preach and teach what I see in the Word concerning the proper response to the Gospel simultaneously and parallel to teaching the power and covering of HIS MERCY.
Does that make me a cop out or a Schizoid? I don't think so but you may and that is fine with me!
Can you provide biblical reference to water baptism "saving" us? There is implication that the believer will obey...but water baptism doesn't "save" us.
lets see, off the top of my head? Mark 16:16 he that believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Peter 3:21 baptism now saves you... Gal 3:27 for as many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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Jesus says, "NO." "I do NOT forgive you. I still hold all your sins against you. You are UNFORGIVEN still. There is another step or two that you must TAKE before I can possibly forgive you."
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Well, I was taught by more than one three-stepper that
forgiveness happens at repentance
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remission, removal of sin, washing away of sin, happens at baptism if the name "Jesus" is invoked.
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I will simply say that I am not responsible for what God does in his mercy. I am responsible for what I see in the written Word of God. What I see in the Word is the essentiality and salvific effect of Baptism in Jesus Name. I feel personal responsibility to preach and teach the same. What Jesus does in mercy... i.e. the numerous scenarios portrayed of deathbed repentance and an inability to reach water or a lack of time to be filled with the Holy Ghost... I am not responsible for. I can, however, preach and teach what I see in the Word concerning the proper response to the Gospel simultaneously and parallel to teaching the power and covering of HIS MERCY.
Does that make me a cop out or a Schizoid? I don't think so but you may and that is fine with me!
Probably the best post on this thread so far.
Like you, I personally have no option but to preach and treach the whole plan of salvation since that is the light that I have received and the light that I am responsible for.
That being said, I shall not discount the deliverance that someone receives at a Baptist Altar in contrite, confessing and turning from sin. I will seek to deliver them on in the light toward their enternal home in glory.
Well, I was taught by more than one three-stepper that
forgiveness happens at repentance
but
remission, removal of sin, washing away of sin, happens at baptism if the name "Jesus" is invoked.
I know. I've heard that too. It is another Norrisism. Did you go to ABI?
The scenario goes like this...
You spill ink all over my new carpet. You then ask me to forgive you. I forgive, but the ink is still in the carpet. It is not remitted, or removed until I call in a carpet cleaner that uses his majic and skills to remove it with his machines. Only then can the ink be remitted.
Ha!
Sounds good and logical but it does not hold up to scritpure. Jesus will not forgive and still hold you accountable for them. When he forgives, he forgets and they are carried all away into the sea of forgetfullness.
that may be true in some instances but not in this thread.
we have repeatedly stated that we believe the Gospel, preach the Gospel, love the Gospel. the Gospel is JESUS. it is what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost.
im not sure what you are talking about?
Just because our detractors have said this does not make it true.
Sad isn't it? And this person claims to be a 3 stepper...
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
It's one thing to say there was always a significant remnant of "Apostolic" adherants. It's another to say there was no one who believed and obeyed in the same manner we do.
Both assumptions are patently false.
It is not false, nor an assumption however to say, "We have no record of anyone following the Acts 2:38 message between the years ~200 A.D. through 1913 A.D.
What this does to someone's doctrine of salvation is up to the individual. And it is fair to ask the question, "Did everybody who lived during those centuries all go to hell?"
It is not false, nor an assumption however to say, "We have no record of anyone following the Acts 2:38 message between the years ~200 A.D. through 1913 A.D.
What this does to someone's doctrine of salvation is up to the individual. And it is fair to ask the question, "Did everybody who lived during those centuries all go to hell?"
Your question is assuming NO ONE obeyed Acts 2:38 in its entirety during those centuries. Despite having no record of someone following Acts 2:38, the possibility does exist that someone may have followed the commands of Peter.
How about this question instead: Did the majority of those that claimed to be Chrisitian who lived during those centuries all go to hell?
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Acts 2:38 isn't the gospel. The gospel is the death, burial, and ressurction of Jesus Christ, his blood providing a new and better covenant. Acts 2:38 is how an obedient Christian biblically applies the gospel to their lives.
Someone needs to recognize at some point that this is really majoring over minors. The term "gospel" in todays vernacular has taken on different meanings to include not just the story that Jesus died was buried and was risen from the dead but also what a person ought to do or believe in order to be saved....
Case in point
Not only is there a gospel to believe in...there is a gospel to obey. Obeying implies doing something
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
A person will believe the gospel and being a believer in the death, buriel and resurrection and trusting in Him and His work, they will also obey what they are commanded.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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