Major Split in the MS District UPC?

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

So can you tell me what I have to do to be saved?

Am I saved on earth or in heaven after judgment?

1. You must repent, be baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghsot. That will put you into the Kingdom. After your conversion you must live a holy and Godly life.

2. Since you want to get technical we are not actually saved until we hear him say, "Well done". If you don't do what I sad earlier you won't hear him say "Well done".

[Sister Alvear]

Time reveals many things. That is my favorite saying! I too do not believe it is for offices for the ones I know. I cannot speak for the ones I do not know. It is a human thing. There will always be splits off anything. We have had them here and every missionary I know has spits at some time or the other. The best think is to keep OUR spirit and attitude right. I have friends on both sides and I am sure many of us here do. I pray for those that gossip will destroy, I pray for those that are trying to do the right thing whether they agree or do not agree ...the strong will pull through..the weak ones may perish. It may turn out to be a good thing for some so let´s pray, keep our spirits right, our heart right and seek after the will of God in our personal lives.
I will say something strange WHAT may be right for some may not be the will of God for others.

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Sorry folks... I know many (if not most) of the men involved in the Tulsa thing and can tell you that I don't buy the whole "they didn't get an office so they are leaving" theory. Too many of them have turned down 'political' offices for that to be their reasoning.

Some? Perhaps. But to think everyone of prominence leaving is leaving for that reason? Absolutely no way. One of the key figures - from Mississippi no less - told me to my face that he would NOT take an office his name was being pushed for and that was BEFORE the vote on Resolution 4.

It's an accusation cast about freely but, alas, like most accusations there is little viable merit to it.

In all due respect but how does one explain Godair, Godair, Odom, Wilson, and Coon recently being on the short end of theh stick for electing positions? Would they be leading this if they had been elected?

Also, how many of these men currently hold elected positions in the UPCI? I dont know of any (i dont know all of them though) that are leaving an elected position to go to this splinter group.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

According to you or according to Jesus?

According to Jesus.

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

From everything I am hearing there is fighting in the MS district.

I learned a long time ago, that everything you "hear", does not necessarily make it "so".

MS is a great state with wonderful churches and pastors.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

I was baptized in a UPC church 24 years ago, have been a licensed UPC minister for 12 years and a pastor for 7.

Are you still UPCI?

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

We don't use a "sacred desk" there is no such thing and to think so is almost idolatry. We use a music stand because we meet in a rented hall and so all our equipment is portable.

"Sacred Desk" is a phrase used for a podiums, lecterns, music stands, or soap boxes. It takes on its sanctity when the Holy Ghost is speaking through an anoited child of God who would prop their scriptures upon the podium and preach.

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

No people don't swoon and speak in tongues when I get up to teach, that's foolish to even think that. Jesus is the head of the church and I don't want people to "swoon" over me, how absurd. Teaching and preaching is not a time to impress people with great swelling words for pats on the back. It is a time to decrease so that he can increase. I hope that they swoon in His presence though!

How old are you?

Originally Posted by Just a Shepherd

What troubles me is that you want to mock the idea that we should strive for a daily fresh anointing, as if that is some foreign concept to you. What would you prefer, a cold, lifeless prayer room and sermons that a carnal preacher got off some internet site?

What troubles me is that you mock a phrase that I used only to honor your own unbiblical term. You are to strive for fresh anointing every day? Did any one in the OT constantly get anointed by a priest every day?

Are you still UPCI?

In Jesus Name

Brother "Fresh Wonder Bread" Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournaal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Lacey

I learned a long time ago, that everything you "hear", does not necessarily make it "so".

MS is a great state with wonderful churches and pastors.

Lacey you got a point.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

How about you Steady, what is your reason??

I'm sorry, Bro. Hoover, I guess I'm not sure what you're asking here.

Originally Posted by Lacey

I learned a long time ago, that everything you "hear", does not necessarily make it "so".

MS is a great state with wonderful churches and pastors.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Mississippi is one of the greatest Districts in the UPC. I've preached many meetings in many places there and have always found the Mississippi District to love good, solid preaching and fervent worship.

Much like any District I would suspect there are some dead Churches who have no vision. Hey, even I have a hangnail on my left hand... but I'm not cutting my arm off over my meaningless hangnail.

Mississippi is a great District.

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Time reveals many things. That is my favorite saying! I too do not believe it is for offices for the ones I know. I cannot speak for the ones I do not know. It is a human thing. There will always be splits off anything. We have had them here and every missionary I know has spits at some time or the other. The best think is to keep OUR spirit and attitude right. I have friends on both sides and I am sure many of us here do. I pray for those that gossip will destroy, I pray for those that are trying to do the right thing whether they agree or do not agree ...the strong will pull through..the weak ones may perish. It may turn out to be a good thing for some so let´s pray, keep our spirits right, our heart right and seek after the will of God in our personal lives.
I will say something strange WHAT may be right for some may not be the will of God for others.

Yet another great post by the wonderful 'Mother' Alvear.

Sister Alvear, I've said at least 100 times to various Preachers in the last 6 months, "Time... time... time is the great revealer. It reveals men's intentions, their desires and their integrity."

Your entire post is great and I, too, find myself praying for those that gossip will dishearten, damage and destroy.